Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[dianehalpin]

My filly, the one that I had so much trouble getting GOV papers on - the trouble being Jill and not at all GOV where great effort on that registry’s part did help me get papers, came to me after weaning with a huge distended belly and very small. She’s fine now and healthy but still very small, which is why I posted her current height.

I suspect strongly that Jill doesn’t feed the weanlings anything approaching their required nutritional needs, basing this on my own experience and those of others. It’s dubious that the nursing mares are getting proper nutrition. I asked for an IgG copy of the filly, needing it for insurance purposes, and was told by Ms. Jill that she does them herself and doesn’t save the results. All of a piece. Bad horsemanship is bad horsemanship and permeates the entire structure of this fraudulent “business”.

By the way, Portia, the dam of my filly, was sold as a youngster herself and was delivered to the new owner who spent $8K plus or minus on vet bills, eventually learning that Portia had been severely injured at Gray Fox Farm, a tidbit unreported to the owner. When the owner confronted Jill Burnell with the fact that she had learned of the injury, apparently Ms. Burnell offered her another youngster in lieu of the injured filly. The money that Portia’s owner spent on vet bills was never refunded. I’ve remained friends with this owner.

Diane Halpin: Facebook

[ise]

I love this:

“I asked for an IgG copy of the filly, needing it for insurance purposes, and was told by Ms. Jill that she does them herself and doesn’t save the results.”

If she is doing them herself - she’s using a snap test - so she sees the results. I don’t believe for a NY minute she’s doing them - how would she even find them in that house filled with trash?

Good Lord - I hope some agencies in California would get involved in this mess and prosecute this woman.

[TWF]

[QUOTE=Pace2thebase;6520178]
The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes … fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her … all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned … when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world … Look how far she got depsite what we now know … can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.[/QUOTE]

I am the breeder of “Grand Affair” and her sire Grande Saber. She and her full sisters Grande Desire Grande Divina were all registered and inspected with the ISR/OLD and ALL were branded & premium foals. To the best of my knowledge; JB & GFF do not have posession of her foal papers. I would never re-issue a breeding certificate in this instance since I registered Grand Affair originally!

After 30yrs in WB breeding… I find it necessary from time to time to set the record straight regarding horses I bred/owned for those claiming casually “my” in reference to a horse. Breeders are,in some registries, are allowed info about horses they bred including current owner Sometimes one implies or claims one is “owner” or. “breeder” of horses without clear title or rights. Just sayin’ this in general.

Pace… I very relieved to hear Rioja is on the mend. Good Luck with him; you made a wise investment …he hails from some of the finest horses I had the pleasure of breeding/owning.

If you want addtional info from the Source. I bred Grande Saber X Grundstein out of my good mare Can’t Act. He was never sold. I traded a WB daughter of THE Roemer KWPN for the TB mare, Grand Affair’s dam, to produce this test foal for Saber. As the breeder who birthed the mare Grand Affair and I care about her deeply. Just contact me Tellwynd@aol.com

FYI : Regarding MY photos. My photos used in GFF & JB sites are NOT used with permission. I gave permission for the year of 2010 to secure my breeding certificate for my Romantic Star colt. Jill had & has been using my copyright protected photos without my permission. She was served with notice and evidently … Took no notice.

Joan Watt

[candico]

But guys, didn’t you read her blog about feeding and caring for babies? She seems to point the finger at the other professional breeding farms as being negligent.

http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-feed-and-care-for-your-baby.html

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=TWF;6520674]
I am the breeder of “Grand Affair” and her sire Grande Saber. She and her full sisters Grande Desire Grande Divina were all registered and inspected with the ISR/OLD and ALL were branded & premium foals. To the best of my knowledge; JB & GFF do not have posession of her foal papers. I would never re-issue a breeding certificate in this instance since I registered Grand Affair originally!

After 30yrs in WB breeding… I find it necessary from time to time to set the record straight regarding horses I bred/owned for those claiming casually “my” in reference to a horse. Breeders are,in some registries, are allowed info about horses they bred including current owner Sometimes one implies or claims one is “owner” or. “breeder” of horses without clear title or rights. Just sayin’ this in general.

Pace… I very relieved to hear Rioja is on the mend. Good Luck with him; you made a wise investment …he hails from some of the finest horses I had the pleasure of breeding/owning.

If you want addtional info from the Source. I bred Grande Saber X Grundstein out of my good mare Can’t Act. He was never sold. I traded a WB daughter of THE Roemer KWPN for the TB mare, Grand Affair’s dam, to produce this test foal for Saber. As the breeder who birthed the mare Grand Affair and I care about her deeply. Just contact me Tellwynd@aol.com

FYI : Regarding MY photos. My photos used in GFF & JB sites are NOT used with permission. I gave permission for the year of 2010 to secure my breeding certificate for my Romantic Star colt. Jill had & has been using my copyright protected photos without my permission. She was served with notice and evidently … Took no notice.

Joan Watt[/QUOTE]

GA is one of the mares I worry the most about. Sadly it is clear that JB knows what a gold mine she has in her … I just hope she treats her accordingly. Though I strongly doubt that …there were some photos that have seemed to have disappeared that were of GA and this foal where she was looking terribly ribby and rough.

[Pace2thebase]

[QUOTE=dianehalpin;6520626]
My filly, the one that I had so much trouble getting GOV papers on - the trouble being Jill and not at all GOV where great effort on that registry’s part did help me get papers, came to me after weaning with a huge distended belly and very small. She’s fine now and healthy but still very small, which is why I posted her current height.

FACT: Rioja arrived the same as your filly. Huge distended belly and in my case under weight (Ribs showing). I contributed his weight to a extraordnary long trip to me across the country. Yet when after 2 months he failed to gain weight or to thrive I had my vet pull blood and do a fecal count. Blood report came back with low muscle emzymes and he was riddled with round worms (thus why his muscle was so poor) … my vet was stunned at how high the count was. “No wonder” she said you have been unable to make him thrive. Depsite that I had wormed him regularly it was not enough to even touch his fecal count. The fecal count came 2 weeks after his last worming. We ended up having to agressivley worm him with rotations of wormers targeting round worms. I would say it was not until the last 2 months that he has put on appropriate weight and muscle.

In Jills defense and in trying to be factual. Jill did tell me to double dose him with safe guard once he got to me (which I did). I called her to let her know about his condition and his fecal count. She was surprised but commented that she too has some of the foals that fit his discription. When I told her that Strongid seemed to be more effective than Safe guard … she thanked me for the info and said she was going to try that on her few foals that seemed to be having the same issues.

I do think in some ways Jill tried (tries) to do the right thing. She clearly … and I think we all can agree … knows how to breed lovely horses. My sense … things spun and are spinning out of control. Too many horses, too many stallions, too many clients, bad judgement etc. plus whatever personal issues she may have has lead her down a path of self distruction. Again … I am sad for the whole situation.

[Pace2thebase]

[QUOTE=TWF;6520674]
I am the breeder of “Grand Affair” and her sire Grande Saber. She and her full sisters Grande Desire Grande Divina were all registered and inspected with the ISR/OLD and ALL were branded & premium foals. To the best of my knowledge; JB & GFF do not have posession of her foal papers. I would never re-issue a breeding certificate in this instance since I registered Grand Affair originally!

After 30yrs in WB breeding… I find it necessary from time to time to set the record straight regarding horses I bred/owned for those claiming casually “my” in reference to a horse. Breeders are,in some registries, are allowed info about horses they bred including current owner Sometimes one implies or claims one is “owner” or. “breeder” of horses without clear title or rights. Just sayin’ this in general.

Pace… I very relieved to hear Rioja is on the mend. Good Luck with him; you made a wise investment …he hails from some of the finest horses I had the pleasure of breeding/owning.

If you want addtional info from the Source. I bred Grande Saber X Grundstein out of my good mare Can’t Act. He was never sold. I traded a WB daughter of THE Roemer KWPN for the TB mare, Grand Affair’s dam, to produce this test foal for Saber. As the breeder who birthed the mare Grand Affair and I care about her deeply. Just contact me Tellwynd@aol.com

FYI : Regarding MY photos. My photos used in GFF & JB sites are NOT used with permission. I gave permission for the year of 2010 to secure my breeding certificate for my Romantic Star colt. Jill had & has been using my copyright protected photos without my permission. She was served with notice and evidently … Took no notice.

Joan Watt[/QUOTE]

Oh Joan … how lovely to be in touch! Grand Affair is a legend … the most lovely mare!! I am honored to have one of her babies and was so excited when I contracted her for her 2011 foal. I bought her 2011 foal before he was even concieved :). I will email you about his history as I think it will interest you. I am trying to be cautious in my airing of information regarding my dealings with JB. In fairness to both her and my foal. Facts are what is important and I do not want my facts to be muddled with assumption or speculation. I will also send you some more pictures of him. Thank you for posting. By the way … I hope you have seen her filly of this year … absolutely beautiful!

[KT_Farms]

If a weanling has that much of a worm load then the mares are infested too. She is not following proper deworming protocal, plus roundworms thrive in the ground and grass.
She has no grass! Which means they are getting it form eating each others stool.
Roundworm infestation can cause young horses to look unthrifty with poor hair coats and/or slow growth and gain or show upper respiratory symptoms such as nasal discharge and coughing as larvae migrate throughout the lungs and trachea. In turn swallowing the larvae and re-infesting themselves.

In all my life of having horses I have never had a worm issue with them or with my babies.

[Pace2thebase]

[QUOTE=KT Farms;6520784]
If a weanling has that much of a worm load then the mares are infested too. She is not following proper deworming protocal, plus roundworms thrive in the ground and grass.
She has no grass! Which means they are getting it form eating each others stool.
Roundworm infestation can cause young horses to look unthrifty with poor hair coats and/or slow growth and gain or show upper respiratory symptoms such as nasal discharge and coughing as larvae migrate throughout the lungs and trachea. In turn swallowing the larvae and re-infesting themselves.

In all my life of having horses I have never had a worm issue with them or with my babies.[/QUOTE]

FACT: Rioja was fecal count tested 2 weeks after having been wormed with safeguard. Had been double dosed upon arrival to me and had one rotation of quest in between.

Clincally insignificant is 250 eggs per gram and under …

Riojas fecal count even after the above rotation was
500 eggs per gram.

[Spectrum]

VICTOOOORRRYYYYY!!! I just finished reading this entire thread. It’s taken me a week of off-and-on reading.

As a side note, this thread is definitely doing its duty in informing the public. Last weekend I was secretarying a large dressage show and I have to say that, “Have you seen the thread on the COTH forum about JB” was a hot topic.

So people are certainly hearing about it!

[equinedriver]

From the Canadian law enforcement person in response to the person questioning his credibility

"the advice given by the Alberta poster may be correct in her area. RCMP are the federal police but they also do provincial and municipal contract policing in many small communities. In Ontario the Ontario Provincial Police police the province and also contract police to many small communities.

Large cities and even small towns have their own forces. All of them investigate frauds. They may pass a file to the RCMP in the case of international frauds. They may not. When I say frauds, I mean those perpetrated on individuals or companies.

Fraudulent certificates on the other hand would be a fraud perpetrated on the federal government and would likely be handled by the RCMP, or the CBSA (border) or CFIA (health) or jointly. I did not deal with a CFIA vet on my own pickup, only a regular CBSA officer.

If the Alberta poster would like to contact me by email, please forward it and I will reassure her/him on my authenticity.

I have in my career, had my property damaged, found a stranger at my front yard chatting up my children and when I approached state “cute kids you got, Officer” before walking away. And, I don’t want people using my horses for target practice."

[IrishWillow]

[QUOTE=Spectrum;6520908]

As a side note, this thread is definitely doing its duty in informing the public. Last weekend I was secretarying a large dressage show and I have to say that, “Have you seen the thread on the COTH forum about JB” was a hot topic.

So people are certainly hearing about it![/QUOTE]

Yep, same here. I’ve gotten quite a few texts/emails/FB comments along the “Have you read the latest Jill Burnell / Redwine / Gray Fox Farm thread on COTH?” lines.

So word is most certainly getting around.

[Daventry]

@Spectrum;6520908

As a side note, this thread is definitely doing its duty in informing the public. Last weekend I was secretarying a large dressage show and I have to say that, “Have you seen the thread on the COTH forum about JB” was a hot topic.

So people are certainly hearing about it!

Same here at our Canadian hunter/jumper show at a big show stable just behind Spruce Meadows this weekend.

[Underthebridge]

Effects: Most damage occurs as roundworms migrate through the body. They cause coughing, pneumonia, liver damage, diarrhea, and colic. Large numbers of adult roundworms can cause intestinal blockage or rupture. Other signs include unthriftiness, pot belly, rough hair coat, and slow growth.

Many times the horse will never recover, ulcers, colic, constant problems.

[COTHalter44]

I think I recall reading somewhere that before JB became a stallion owner, there were multiple outside stallion owners that she never paid for breedings. Can anyone confirm? Just wondering how many babies may have been produced with “stolen” semen.

[TWF]

Pace thank you for taking good care of the Saber legacy baby!!! I am horrified to discover how he arrived to you home.

While Jill has bred some good foals …Not so fast with the credit for the GFF sires to Grande Saber mares…

Grand Affair was first bred to Redwine by Jill Johnson of Hunter’s Peak. She is the breeder of 2010 colt named Rainboots JB replicated the breeding to produce two more full siblings out of GA .

With ALL due respect, the reason Grand Affair has a place in HB history is solely due to Jill Johnson. Jill found her before she was three months old and bought her. Grand Affair was my test “Hunter baby” for Grande Saber. Jill managed both her HB career and her life as one of the most celebrated Broodmares in the Country.

I bred Grande Divina to Aloha. and despite the GFF site claiming to be breeder of Accessorized… I bred both Grande Divina and her 2010 filly Accessorized.

I asked JB to clearly publish me as breeder for Grand Affair, her full sis Grande Divina and her 2010 filly Accessorized

FACT - That’s two babies GFF claimed to breed when they clearly didn’t . …which is FRAUD.

[equinedriver]

help with message box

I am COTH forums challenged. My PM box filled up this afternoon. I managed to delete a few, and moved a bunch to a private folder, but it is still saying it’s 96% full, despite the fact when I open it it has about 30 messages, just related to this thread left in it.

Someone that knows more than me, please tell me how I free up more space in my PM box. If anyone PM’d me this afternoon and it got rejected, I apologize, and try again.

[TWF]

Mine is full too. I suggest for you to offer an email address so you are able to quickly move information to everyone and those outside of the COTHBB

[Home_Again_Farm]

Check your sent box. It may be full.

[J-Lu]

@equinedriver;6521268

I am COTH forums challenged. My PM box filled up this afternoon. I managed to delete a few, and moved a bunch to a private folder, but it is still saying it’s 96% full, despite the fact when I open it it has about 30 messages, just related to this thread left in it.

Someone that knows more than me, please tell me how I free up more space in my PM box. If anyone PM’d me this afternoon and it got rejected, I apologize, and try again.

Click on your “sent” messages and delete messages in there. They tend to pile up in that box.

Spectrum, your post made me laugh. I’ve not posted but I’ve followed from the beginning, checking at least once a day to stay on top of the posts. I’m so glad I did! This is an extremely interesting and informative thread on many fronts.