Okay, it was a struggle (LOL) but I found the sent messages and deleted them. I’m good now.
The GFF website says 3 foals were due on August 7:
Redwine x Grand Affaire
Redwine x Likide
Redwine x Lucky Karma
Anyone know if these babies have arrived ? Two are spoken for as they were sold inutero.
[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6520566]
And just to confuse you further…I don’t believe that any of Jill’s stallions are approved Belgian Warmblood. I suspect that she went with the Belgian SPORTHORSE (sBs) registry. But, the two have reciprocity. Just trying to stick to the facts, Danno ;).[/QUOTE]
But several of her stallions would be accepted through the BWP’s outside stallion provision. I almost went down that route with a custom ET foal for someone. So glad that we wised up before we made that mistake… Though honestly it was the BWPs slow response time that deterred me, well before I knew about the Jill Burnell fiasco!
As far as I know none of her stallions are approved with any of the Belgian registries, however they could be used within the registries if the breeder wants to pay the outside stallion fees.
Do the Belgian registries require DNA testing?
[QUOTE=equinedriver;6521407]
Okay, it was a struggle (LOL) but I found the sent messages and deleted them. I’m good now.[/QUOTE]
you can also download your messages so you can keep the info before deleting.
[QUOTE=clint;6521748]
Do the Belgian registries require DNA testing?[/QUOTE]
From what I have been told…
The SBS confirms sires by DNA and document mare lines if mares have been presented to other registries. If mares can not be documented the foals papers will reflect that dam line is undocumented.
You know this reminds me of the Lucky Boy issue years ago. I bloodtyped my Lucky Boy mare before I bred her. It may be a good idea for the sake of (Forgive me) accurate progeny and bloodline records.
A farm that houses anywhere from 20 to 40 mares with foals in a single paddock or total farm size under 3 acres, either dirt or grass (not that pasture could ever survive with this density of horse-keeping, irrigated or otherwise) that also has parasite problems…why is any knowledgeable person surprised? When posters started to mention problems with parasites from foals coming from this breeder’s farm, I wasn’t surprised , and nobody else should be either; if you know anything at all about equine intestinal parasites, you understand that ALL horses shed eggs from the parasites they harbor (the difference is in the rate and amount) and those eggs can live in the soil for YEARS…decades even. Foals have no natural immunity to parasites such as ascarids (roundworms) the parasite being named most frequently in these posts about poor-doing foals, and the most likely culprit to any foal having parasite problems. In such a scenario, even if the breeder is being diligent about pasting every horse on the place with some sort of anthelmintic on a regular basis, no one is ever going to be able to stay ahead of the egg shedding rate and the staying power of those eggs in the soil (never mind resistance to chemicals) that has seen years upon years of high density horse-keeping just super-fortifying that soil into a parasite super site. The biggest parasite problem, supposed worming program aside, is that this farm has kept too many horses in too small an area for too long and mares and foals have been in that same high density area for years and years. Add to that: you and I have never seen feeders nor buckets on this farm that would keep hay and any grain off of the ground where those eggs live, and so naturally, the multitude of eggs keep finding their way back into the vulnerable babies daily despite any supposed attempt at worming them out. A losing battle all around. How any person could expect anything other than parasitic domination in such a scenario is beyond me. The “new paradigm” as it is being called by some re: worming programs; has much less to do with what anthelmintic is being used, and/or how often, though still important, but not the only solution; rather, a lot more emphasis is now on how horses are managed on the farms in terms of space and pasture rotations. This farm example is truly a puppy mill type scenario with regard to potential parasite infestation just by having too many in too small an area. As many have noted from experience in this situation: the early damage done is either irreparable, or a long time struggling to recover from it.
Well done Equinedriver, for stepping up to such a task :yes: and thanks, Equine Reproduction, for sharing your expertise. :yes: 
Also ,kudos to those who are stepping forward with the information that will put this horror to rest. :yes:
Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
Jos, just curious - does the Zoosanitary Export Certificate ask for the EVA status of the semen?
[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6520132]
Not Jos - but no ;). It does not ask for EVA status.[/QUOTE]
Ah, that is a shame. :sigh:
[QUOTE=skydy;6521953]
Well done Equinedriver, for stepping up to such a task :yes: and thanks, Equine Reproduction, for sharing your expertise. :yes:
Also ,kudos to those who are stepping forward with the information that will put this horror to rest. :yes:[/QUOTE]
And yes - kudos to Equinedriver for compiling this info.
PLEASE - those of you who have been directly affected by bad business dealings with GF need to contact Equinedriver!
Out of pure curiosity, I just googled “grey fox farms jill burnell” to see what would come up. This thread did not make the first page of links, unfortunately.
However, a lot of other complaint threads from other boards did, and this thread is linked on one of them.
It’s amazing how many unhappy postings are out there – and typically, there’s always someone telling the person wronged they are somehow at fault. Someone named “wyominggrandma” on horseforum.com was posting “with the permission of Jill Burnell” defending Jill against yet another person who didn’t get a horse they purchased, and couldn’t get an answer to phone calls and emails.
Not sure how to get this thread higher in the google rankings. It would have thought it would have shown up.
Kwill,
Try spelling the name of the farm “gray.”
If you Google just Jill Burnell, this particular thread comes up on the 1st page in the number 4 spot.
If you spell it “Gray Fox Farm” (correct spelling) and Jill Burnell, this thread comes up on the 2nd page, but another COTH thread comes up on the first page.
I think it used to come up higher, but since there are not nearly as many posts in here with her full name and full farm name, it has dropped in the search engine rankings.
If the OP modified the Subject line, it might make it come up higher.
Haha, of course! Spelling is not my strong suit, especially first thing in the morning! Good thing other people can’t spell, either, since some stuff comes up even with the wrong spelling.
It was interesting to see how typically Jill (or her friends, but I am thinking Jill) goes on the various threads and does damage control posing as a disinterested party with various identities.
I was just thinking the OP should modify the subject line, as you suggested, but I believe she’s long gone now …
Gray Fox Farm and Jill Burnell need to be mentioned many times more to up this thread in the search.
Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox Farm Gray Fox FarmGray Fox Farm
Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell Jill Burnell
Then…share the link via Twitter, Facebook etc…
I posted this link to a sales ad on FB. She is selling her breeding to Redwine @ Gray Fox Farm owned by Jill Burnell because her mare did not take. She has decided to buy one already on the ground.
I just put “FYI… (link to thread)” in the comments
BWP/NAD
[QUOTE=clint;6521748]
Do the Belgian registries require DNA testing?[/QUOTE]
Belgian Warmblood Breeding Association (BWP/NAD) does require DNA on foals.
They also require payment for their services.
[QUOTE=NBFarm;6522264]
Belgian Warmblood Breeding Association (BWP/NAD) does require DNA on foals.
They also require payment for their services.[/QUOTE]
Too funny! :lol:
[QUOTE=Kwill;6522111]
Not sure how to get this thread higher in the google rankings. It would have thought it would have shown up.[/QUOTE]
Jill Burnell and Gray fox Farm COTH thread is on page three of google search now.
