[QUOTE=Iron Horse Farm;6525012]
I’m not defending Jill in any way, but you can’t just “rest them a year” or let them take a year off". ![/QUOTE]
Actually, yes you can.
[QUOTE=Iron Horse Farm;6525012]
I’m not defending Jill in any way, but you can’t just “rest them a year” or let them take a year off". It doesn’t work that way. There have been multiple discussions on here and on this board. Older mares need to stay pregnant to keep their fertility. People giving them a year off are NOT doing them any favors.
If they are not maintaining weight or have some other issue, you really have to examine your program and make changes, but giving them a year off only ensures that some of them will never have another pregnancy and we know what happens to those![/QUOTE]
yes you absolutely can! i work at a major tb farm in ky and it happens quite often!
WOOOOW, the pop tart thread is interesting. I vetted that mare, I know exactly what her issues were, which was why I walked away after putting a deposit down. JB denying the surgery, which she DID have… and I know this for a fact, I have the vet’s documentation to prove it.
Just another in a long line of lies
We breed our mares every other year or have them off even more than that. It’s hooey that they have to be bred every year. Mares in the wild don’t have a foal every single year either. We keep our foals on the mares longer as all the studies have shown this reduces ulcers and other issues. We don’t feel mares are machines and with the economy in the tank I feel it’s a bit reckless to breed every mare every year. Even good horses are showing up at the killer sales.
[QUOTE=DownYonder;6524672]
Hey, I have foals for sale by Redwine out of Strapless (or whoever that famous hunter mare was). For that matter, I have foals for sale by Redwine out of Sapphire. Black colt, red colt, bay colt, black filly, red filly, bay filly - take your pick! Guaranteed to win at Devon, at Warrenton, at wherever you want! Will win the hack, the jumping course, and the whole shooting match! Only $20K each, send down payment of $10K immediately to reserve your foal! Parentage verification or registration papers, you say? Who cares - these are H/J foals! :lol:[/QUOTE]
Oh DY…hahahahahahaaaaaaaa!
[QUOTE=Iron Horse Farm;6525222]
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351226&highlight=year&page=3[/QUOTE]
whatever helps you sleep at night!
[QUOTE=ise@ssl;6525214]
We breed our mares every other year or have them off even more than that. It’s hooey that they have to be bred every year. Mares in the wild don’t have a foal every single year either. We keep our foals on the mares longer as all the studies have shown this reduces ulcers and other issues. We don’t feel mares are machines and with the economy in the tank I feel it’s a bit reckless to breed every mare every year. Even good horses are showing up at the killer sales.[/QUOTE]
couldnt agree more!
[QUOTE=out west;6523848]
OH NO! As a dressage person I thought I wouldn’t know anything about these horses, I just looked on her website and saw my daughters former jumper, her “heart horse” there! Does anyone know anything about Hawai du Moulin? Fabulous horse! We sold her to another junior rider when my daughter went to college.[/QUOTE]
Out West - I sent you a PM.
[QUOTE=Iron Horse Farm;6525222]
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351226&highlight=year&page=3[/QUOTE]
There is absolutely no statistical or medical reproductive evidence one way or the other on that thread, just a bunch of opinions and peoples best practices. Many people breed on an every other year cycle and also many do annual. Just like some mares may be hard to get in foal if left open, and others NEED a year off for best reproductive health. As with everything horses, it depends and both situations can and do work.
To just say in all situations that you can’t just “rest them a year” or let them take a year off" is phooey. It can be done, and it is done all the time. It may not be the best decision for all mares, but nor is breeding every year for all mares.
[QUOTE=Iron Horse Farm;6525012]
I’m not defending Jill in any way, but you can’t just “rest them a year” or let them take a year off". It doesn’t work that way. There have been multiple discussions on here and on this board. Older mares need to stay pregnant to keep their fertility. People giving them a year off are NOT doing them any favors.
If they are not maintaining weight or have some other issue, you really have to examine your program and make changes, but giving them a year off only ensures that some of them will never have another pregnancy and we know what happens to those![/QUOTE]
I agree somewhat I believe its circumstantial and normally don’t have an issue with mares going back to back. HOWEVER we are not talking about mares managed and given the best. It’s already been covered that several foals from JB’s have been suffering from very large worm loads doubt the mares are parasite free , its been discussed that some of the mares were lacking condition or lame or A-Z. So I don’t think normal reproductive notions can be generically applied in this case.
This thread as of now (August 29th) has 199,935 views!
Keep spreading the word!
[QUOTE=equinedriver;6525078]
Just an update. I am getting quite a few emails from people that are contacting other authorities and getting responses, both in Canada and the US, such as the state and federal vets, registries etc with their concerns and have confirmation that those authorities are looking at the photo’s posted on line etc.
I am working through trying to contact people regarding horses posted on Jill’s web site that they say belong to them and have never been on her farm, such as mares with supposed foals and asking to include that material with my other information obtained such as signed contracts etc as it also shows a form or fraud. We have captured web shots of the pages and photos, listings of foal that cannot belong to her that she lists as sold because she doesn’t own the mare etc in case she gets wind of it and takes them down.
Just an FYI, this will NOT be a quick process unfortunately. As I noted in the beginning, I am going on 2 years with the guy in IN but we appear to finally be nearing the end of that road and he is now served with papers to either pay up or go to jail, but for those of you waiting with bated breath to see what happens, you can let out your breath and sit down on the sofa with a nice glass of wine LOL.
I will continue to keep this list updated and let you know when the paper work has actually been sent to the AG, and responses etc.
On another note, I have a friend that is a very small but very high quality breeder in CA. I was very surprised to see when I went to the GFF page on Facebook that her farm was listed as a “like”. I sent her a private email with a link to this thread and she emailed back almost immediately and was horrified and had “unliked” the page and was passing the link on to others she knows that she also doesn’t think is aware of what has been going on. So yes, some of the good we are doing is getting the info out into areas where it has not previously been.
EVERYONE KEEP IT UP.[/QUOTE]
I have nothing to do with Jill Burnell and Gray Fox Farm as I own Paso Finos and not hunters like REDWINE.
equinedriver, you are awesome for everything you are doing! I want to do my small part by helping out the Google search. 
Yes, and her biting remarks in her responses have become quite familiar (and a bit comical).
Poster says (about Pop Tart): “Really cute mare! But, I too have seen her ad. Um, isn’t she “broodmare only” because of OCD surgery? Last time I checked, OCD is incredibly hereditary. I don’t know if I’d want to buy a foal out of a mare who had OCD so bad that the surgery left her permanently unsound…”
Gray Fox Farms replies: "She doesn’t have OCD. There is a reason why your not supposed to xray warmblood yearlings. I had her vetted with xrays and my vet looked at the old xrays also. Many vets don’t understand that and I guess you don’t either. She is also sound. "
Good grief.
OH. MY. GOD. Someone just alerted me to this thread - I am the OP from the other COTH JILL BURNELL GRAY FOX FARM thread back in February. My mare (thanks to GREAT people from this board) was rescued, complete with police escort from Jill’s farm… it makes me sick to my stomach that the mare was so close to a “dead-chickens-in-the-tub” sub-par existance. WOW.
So call me crazy, but what if she is breeding mares that aren’t listed on the website, advertising the foals coming from the “nice” mares you see on the site, which I have read some don’t exist on her farm. The foals have to come from a mare. It wouldn’t surprise me after all the stories I have seen.
Basically pulling a bait and switch… Has every mare on the website been accounted for on her property?
Also California has really good anti-cruelty laws, has anyone called the local animal control out to her property?
Obie- very happy to hear you have your mare back!!
Hence the many recommendations that people verify the parentage of their young horses from GFF via DNA.
Does the 200,000 th viewer get a prize? A nice toaster perhaps? I was gonna say a free breeding, but figured I will get another PM for that…
2006,the year Grand Affair retired the Upperville Posh Trophy she almost died. Her resilience and strength was never so evident then when she won the broodmare championship an unprecedented fourth time just four months after her hospitization. She was never to be the same again. She physically can’t sustain year after year pregnancies… That’s why I am so concerned. She deserved a year off and should be given a Well Earned Rest.
Sadly TWF, I think it is unlikely she will be given a year off based on the “puppy mill” mentality there. I think the only way that will happen is if she doesn’t get pregnant or doesn’t stay pregnant. They are just “walking uteri” to JB. I don’t think there is any emotion attached at all. :no:
