Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[Kmsuds]

[QUOTE=skydy;6554930]
To save you time, no I have not "trashed " Redwine on this thread. The horse has done nothing wrong.
His OWNER apparently has engaged in criminal activity and dubious business practices and THAT is what this thread is about, no matter how hard you try to make it otherwise…[/QUOTE]

I’m not TRYING to do anything Skydy. Again for the millionth time, if you read my posts they are about inaccuracies. I am so sorry that you all feel that those are fine as long as it is for the “good of the cause”

[Kmsuds]

Anyway I am sorry I ever posted, and more sorry I didn’t make up a dumb ass name to post under. I was warned from day one by someone from your own “gang” that people don’t want to hear a truth if it is contains information about someone they are trying to crucify, so in hindsight better to just ignore the thread and COTH in general as it has kinda made me “throw up in my mouth a little”

Good day ladies, “carry on” as Annie says.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=Kmsuds;6554941]
I’m not TRYING to do anything Skydy. Again for the millionth time, if you read my posts they are about inaccuracies. I am so sorry that you all feel that those are fine as long as it is for the “good of the cause”[/QUOTE]

OK… to save me time (if you would be so kind) what are the inaccuracies, that have you so upset for Redwine’s sake?

[daisycutter87]

if this thread gets shut down; those of you arguing with Kim can point the finger at yourselves. We are well-aware that Kim is intentionally stirring the pot in favor of Jill Burnell in an attempt to make the facts look false. Fortunately; the facts are the facts and people need to be warned. This thread NEEDS to stay on topic and the only way to keep it open is to STOP the pettyness and stick to the facts being brought out by this thread. Ignore her. Simple as that.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=daisycutter87;6554969]
if this thread gets shut down; those of you arguing with Kim can point the finger at yourselves. We are well-aware that Kim is intentionally stirring the pot in favor of Jill Burnell in an attempt to make the facts look false. Fortunately; the facts are the facts and people need to be warned. This thread NEEDS to stay on topic and the only way to keep it open is to STOP the pettyness and stick to the facts being brought out by this thread. Ignore her. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think at this point it matters who Jill Burnell is friends with or which of them post on alters or rant and rave about semantics.

Bottom line Jill Burnell is the one who’s illegal and unethical BUSINESS practices have been called on the carpet. Unless her palls are going to step forward and right her wrongs or provide some sort of proof other then “because I said so” in her favor they don’t matter one iota.

Ignore them focus on the facts.

[DownYonder]

There have been so many reports from the past several years of the fraud and deceptive trade practices engaged in by this particular person, and from so many different sources, it is almost mind-boggling.

To recap, here is the list of the issues that have been reported:

1 – ongoing pattern of defrauding buyers, breeders, vets, farriers, feed and hay vendors, trainers, registries, shippers, stallion testing venues, etc., by writing bad checks, ignoring requests for payment or refund, not shipping quality products to customers, etc.

2 – endangering mares and foals by shipping semen prepped in a filthy lab, as well as disregarding standard EVA protocol, willfully downplaying the seriousness of EVA, and passing on misinformation regarding EVA.

3 – hoarding and overcrowding of horses, and not providing adequate space or shelter to pregnant mares and their foals.

4 – shipping wormy, ill or otherwise unthrifty mares and/or foals to buyers.

5 – repeatedly ignoring requests for breeding certificates for foals sired by her stallions.

6 – not supporting mare owners/buyers who want to register foals with organizations that require parentage verification via DNA comparison for EVERY foal.

7 – elder neglect/abuse by having her elderly parents live in an overy cluttered, trash-filled house strewn with rubbish, contaminated medical waste and biological substances, animal feces, and dead animals.

8 – failure to promptly and properly dispose of dead animal carcasses.

9 – marketing foals as being from certain mares, when in fact the mares are owned by others, the mares have never been in her possession or been bred to her stallions. IOW, no such foals exist with the parentage she claims.

10 – using photos belonging to others without permission, for the purpose of promoting her own business.

11 - bad-mouthing competing stallions or stallion owners, either directly or through the use of alters on various Internet forums.

Feel free to add to the list if I missed anything…

[runwayz]

So Kmsuds sent me a personal email and I replied kindly and truthfully. I am sure it will get shared with Jill. I went ahead and posted it below because it is nothing we havent heard already. My reply is on the top. I did remove her personal email though.

[runwayz]

Hi Kim, I have known Jill for many more years and I am sure you will share this email with her. I am very thankful for what she did for me so I could get my filly, it was very generous of her. This was back in the beginning of her starting up her business. I do continue to disagree with her horse keeping business though, I believe it was just a matter of going overboard with not enough help. What she has done to others is really none of my business, but I do believe that when the “big” names step in to verify that it is true, most likely it is. I do not believe she is the “underdog” if that is what you are referring to. People are allowed to voice thier opinions whatever they may be. If you can prove to everyone that most of the crap is not true, than I suggest you do that. And now you say you are not Roy, hmmm. Whatever.

From: Kim Suddaby
To: runwayz13@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: really?

Seriously Annie, I’m very sorry you all can’t stand the thought that there are a few of us that want the truth out there. Please re-read my posts because I don’t think you can find anything wrong with them.

I am not in favor of the lynch mob mentality and while it seems that there are quite a few valid complaints against Jill that does not mean that people can just lie, have it taken for fact and me be ok with that.

I am rooting for the underdog. I have known Jill for 8? years and she has gone out of her way to help me. Do I question somethings after reading all the crap, sure. But do I know that a lot of that crap is simply untrue? YES

If you are fine with people printing lies and mixing that with the truth I guess your a different sort than I.

I do know Roy and he has gotten a lot of information from me and I feel sorry for dragging him into all this. Though I do think he just enjoys seeing people get their panties in knot.

But whatever, that board is toxic.

[Well_Worn_Bridle]

[QUOTE=Ownedbyhim;6554193]
I have replied to anyone who has pm’d me with my name and number. I own and stand Aberjack, so most know who I am, but I am not active in hunterland, as a rule. And yes, as a matter of fact, I am a very good hand with a horse, and yes, Emerald Kitty was saddled today for the first time since I picked her up. She was happy, when we finished, for the first time since I met her. She stood, hip shot,licking her lips and touching with her muzzle,un tied,completely relaxed while she was un saddled,rinsed off. The only time she has ever not shown anxiety and tension while being handled is in the breeding stocks. This thread isn’t about me…I only entered into the conversation because when I googled a mare I had been given,Up came GFF as having her as a broodmare and then was contacted and informed of every foal ever produced and what they were doing etc, by Stacey. Stacey has posted pictures of this mare on her FB page and referred to her as “hers”. To date, I have not met Stacey, received money or a signature on a breeding lease contract. I highly doubt I ever will. Jill Burnell and Gray Fox Farm here in California haven’t scammed me but she sure tried. I just think that if more people were more up front about issues like this…and by this, I mean this whole 85 page thread…there would be a lot less folks feeling used up, financially gutted, burned out about breeding,ad nauseum.
I have been in contact with Glenhill Farm about this mare since the day I picked her up. I knew nothing of her history or all her many “owners”…I only can tell you about her behavior since that day, what she is like currently and that horses don’t tell lies. She didn’t conceive in 2011, didn’t conceive in 2012,don’t know if she will conceive in 2013, but till then, she is going to get a shot at being my new riding horse. I like her.[/QUOTE]

I have been following this thread for the shear entertainment value, but when you started posting I remembered a sordid story involving you.

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/horse-off-feed-eating-bark-wood-very-458130.html

I’d no sooner lease a mare to you than I would to JB, that’s for sure.

[Summit_Springs_Farm]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6555123]
There have been so many reports from the past several years of the fraud and deceptive trade practices engaged in by this particular person, and from so many different sources, it is almost mind-boggling.

To recap, here is the list of the issues that have been reported:

1 – ongoing pattern of defrauding buyers, breeders, vets, farriers, feed and hay vendors, trainers, registries, shippers, stallion testing venues, etc., by writing bad checks, ignoring requests for payment or refund, not shipping quality products to customers, etc.

2 – endangering mares and foals by shipping semen prepped in a filthy lab, as well as disregarding standard EVA protocol, willfully downplaying the seriousness of EVA, and passing on misinformation regarding EVA.

3 – hoarding and overcrowding of horses, and not providing adequate space or shelter to pregnant mares and their foals.

4 – shipping wormy, ill or otherwise unthrifty mares and/or foals to buyers.

5 – repeatedly ignoring requests for breeding certificates for foals sired by her stallions.

6 – not supporting mare owners/buyers who want to register foals with organizations that require parentage verification via DNA comparison for EVERY foal.

7 – elder neglect/abuse by having her elderly parents live in an overy cluttered, trash-filled house strewn with rubbish, contaminated medical waste and biological substances, animal feces, and dead animals.

8 – failure to promptly and properly dispose of dead animal carcasses.

9 – marketing foals as being from certain mares, when in fact the mares are owned by others, the mares have never been in her possession or been bred to her stallions. IOW, no such foals exist with the parentage she claims.

10 – using photos belonging to others without permission, for the purpose of promoting her own business.

11 - bad-mouthing competing stallions or stallion owners, either directly or through the use of alters on various Internet forums.

Feel free to add to the list if I missed anything…[/QUOTE]

Oh ya, I forgot she did #11 to me as well when she found out we were using Apiro, I recieved a PM from some screen name I can’t remember, but was from no one I recognized, saying that he had a crooked front leg. I ignored the PM, but I am pretty sure it had to be her,or her friend, because who ever sent it said to check out Redwine.

[Laurierace]

The mods asked for the information I found. I am not going to answer any pms on the subject until they tell me how to proceed.

[runwayz]

Summit Springs Farm, I think that hits the nail on the head.

[ASBJumper]

[QUOTE=daisycutter87;6554766]
I highly doubt that Jill Burnell has a personality disorder as she was quite professional when things in her business first started. Things then went downhill as she started to discover new ways to scam people. I refuse to let someone try and misinform people that she has some sort of disorder. bottom line is: as a horse owner and business owner; she KNOWS right from wrong. With the amount of things she’s done wrong with people; she is a CRIMINAL and disorder or not; it needs to be dealt with.[/QUOTE]

You don’t get it.

People with BPD are extremely friendly (in fact, many times overly so), very professional, often seeming very intelligent and educated and eloquent, too. Until you say or do something that makes them angry or upset or offended - then they turn on you. Or cut you off. YOU become the enemy. YOU become the “crazy/dishonest/lying/cheating” one.

I am not making excuses for anyone, daisycutter. I am simply saying there is no point in trying to reason with any alters who might be her or someone posting on her behalf.

[3Dogs]

[QUOTE=Summit Springs Farm;6555403]
Oh ya, I forgot she did #11 to me as well when she found out we were using Apiro, I recieved a PM from some screen name I can’t remember, but was from no one I recognized, saying that he had a crooked front leg. I ignored the PM, but I am pretty sure it had to be her,or her friend, because who ever sent it said to check out Redwine.[/QUOTE

eyesight poor DY. did you add that trainers not paid? Neither John French, who has sued, then by report Peter Pletcher…that rumor…but rumor says he took stock…poor guy…to settle a 40,000 dollar bill. Last can’t verify so I declare as “rumor”

[Appsolute]

[QUOTE=ASBJumper;6555616]
You don’t get it.

People with BPD are extremely friendly (in fact, many times overly so), very professional, often seeming very intelligent and educated and eloquent, too. Until you say or do something that makes them angry or upset or offended - then they turn on you. Or cut you off. YOU become the enemy. YOU become the “crazy/dishonest/lying/cheating” one.

I am not making excuses for anyone, daisycutter. I am simply saying there is no point in trying to reason with any alters who might be her or someone posting on her behalf.[/QUOTE]

I am not a psychologist, and certainly cannot diagnose someone over the internet, but I am with you here… My mother in law suffers from BPD, real fun stuff.

Yes, she can be charming, and nice, even works as a nurse (when they aren’t asking her to go home due to inappropriate outburst).

There are highs, and lows, and rock bottoms. The police know her (she calls the cops on the neighbors all the time – or they call on her due to her antics), she has been near foreclosure, has been through BK (despite a generous income), and is a hoarder.

Oh, and some people will tell you she is the nicest, most giving person they know… and others can tell you how she chased them with a knife and stabbed them.

People are always “out to get her”, she suffers from paranoia, and it is ALWAYs someone else’s fault (even the mountains of junk in her home are blamed on others).

I have to say the patterns look similar… but no one knows unless they are a Dr that has worked with JB.

[kates93]

[QUOTE=Well_Worn_Bridle;6555179]
I have been following this thread for the shear entertainment value, but when you started posting I remembered a sordid story involving you.

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/horse-off-feed-eating-bark-wood-very-458130.html

I’d no sooner lease a mare to you than I would to JB, that’s for sure.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like someone should start a thread about “Ownedbyhim” in order to - what was it - oh yeah, be: “more up front about issues like this…and by this, I mean this whole 85 page thread…there would be a lot less folks feeling used up, financially gutted, burned out about breeding,ad nauseum.”

Pot, meet kettle.

[Kenike]

@Hillside H Ranch;6554857

What I do know is that I need to purge my Facebook friends list…

You aren’t alone there…I need to, as well.

[HanoWB88]

I don’t follow these threads closely; too many pages, people, alters. But I thought Aberjack is owned by the Groesbecks?

Unfortunately, there seem to be multiple farms in CA leasing mares, returning them to their owners in horrible shape, ripping people off, hoarding, etc. There is another in Livermore where the hay was actually repossessed because the “manager” has more horses than she can afford to feed, and she keeps breeding, of course.

[Wirt]

Give it a rest

I am new here. Someone told me about this thread. You ladies take way to much pleasure in slamming other people. Reminds me of a bunch of cats. You should find a new hobby

[Well_Worn_Bridle]

[QUOTE=Wirt;6556115]
I am new here. Someone told me about this thread. You ladies take way to much pleasure in slamming other people. Reminds me of a bunch of cats. You should find a new hobby[/QUOTE]

When I clicked that I wanted to e-mail you, this is the e-mail you registered with: jwgtraining@msn.com

And when I Googled jwgtraining@msn.com, I came up with this; http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-365066.html

My goodness, welcome Mr. Groesbeck! How kind of you to register after I posted that [thread about] your (ex?) wife [and the] mare she had leased after she added her two cents regarding JB.