Dr. Betsee Parker in fur!!!!!! Disgusting.

[AffirmedHope]

[QUOTE=Xanthoria;8023078]
The thing is, one doesn’t have to have black or white opinions, or take an extremist stance on everything.

I am personally OK with eating meat and wearing leather that’s been raised humanely and had a good death, or shot in the wild. I’m not OK with wearing fur from an animal that’s been kept in tiny cages and anally electrocted to get it’s pelt. Yeah - have a blast on YouTube looking up videos. Really turned me off: no way should animals live or die like that.

Just found out how angora rabbits have their fur ripped out of their skin, alive. Repeatedly. As they scream. And there I have been thinking they got a nice little shave every now and again. Ugh.

It’s all about quality of life and death.[/QUOTE]

yup, but the animals who’s hides are just a “byproduct” of the modern mass producing meat industry, probably didn’t have a good quality of life. The animal still suffered for that byproduct. The suffering that so many people use as the reason for not eating meat/only eating humanely raised meat. But can justify a leather saddle or whatever, because it’s just a byproduct/animal is already dead.

It’s great how our minds can spin something to align with our morals, (not speaking about you in particular, just generally)

[Xanthoria]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;8023095]
yup, but the animals who’s hides are just a “byproduct” of the modern mass producing meat industry, probably didn’t have a good quality of life. The animal still suffered for that byproduct. The suffering that so many people use as the reason for not eating meat/only eating humanely raised meat. But can justify a leather saddle or whatever, because it’s just a byproduct/animal is already dead.

It’s great how our minds can spin something to align with our morals, (not speaking about you in particular, just generally)[/QUOTE]

Totally agree on the justifying - and you know occasionally I eat meat that I am pretty sure hasn’t been raised well too. Such is life. In general I try not to, and I think that’s a reasonable direction to go in. I compost, I recycle, I save water but I’m not perfect and I give myself a break. If I have a choice I choose the humane restaurant, organic choice, or fur-free option. It’s people who are totally ignorant to animal suffering that pain me.

Interestingly, I found a video about mink farming on youtube. They talk about the mink living in tiny areas in the wild which is wrong. And feeding them slop. I guess the carbon monoxide poisoning death could be worse, but the life seems particularly sad for a wild carnivore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbb9agOXGt8

Then I found this guy - training mink to fish for wild fish. Really cool: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaE309xZTS4XdecZSoaYzFg

[DR1]

Um I suppose it doesn’t matter, but she did look pretty bizarre. I mean fur issues aside, she just basically looked freaking kooky with her 10 Gallon hat, snow white hair and floor length fur coat. Sorry, it sounds superficial I know, but when I first looked at the picture in the winners circle, I thought, well it’s too late for Halloween…so what’s up?

[Moesha]

[QUOTE=Xanthoria;8023078]
The thing is, one doesn’t have to have black or white opinions, or take an extremist stance on everything.
.[/QUOTE]

This in a nutshell. The World is not Black and White…we live in a diverse and colorful world with so much beauty and happiness side by side with so much ugliness and misery…and everything beyond and in between.

People have a right to have opinions and don’t have to be all or nothing…It is the same as these insane political rants where people are devalued and forced into a label of one party or another as opposed to the individual they are…just because they voted for or feel a certain way about an issue.

Fur is not illegal…it is not for everyone and a spade is a spade on how it is made and that’s just reality…

While the OP has every right to their feelings and should be able to regardless of the subject…the road is a two way street…to say if you are against fur you cannot eat meat or use leather etc…is just the same as attacking a person’s character because they wear fur and then saying what a horrible person they must be…

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=Xanthoria;8023078]
The thing is, one doesn’t have to have black or white opinions, or take an extremist stance on everything.

I am personally OK with eating meat and wearing leather that’s been raised humanely and had a good death, or shot in the wild. I’m not OK with wearing fur from an animal that’s been kept in tiny cages and anally electrocted to get it’s pelt. Yeah - have a blast on YouTube looking up videos. Really turned me off: no way should animals live or die like that.

Just found out how angora rabbits have their fur ripped out of their skin, alive. Repeatedly. As they scream. And there I have been thinking they got a nice little shave every now and again. Ugh.

It’s all about quality of life and death.[/QUOTE]

I’ve collected fur from Angora rabbits by coming them periodically and collecting the fibers in a brush.

A friend of mine did the same thing recently with fur she combed out of her Siberian husky. She collected the fur that came off in the grooming brush and I’m going to spin it into yarn and knit something with it for her.

Not every collection method for fiber is cruel.

[AffirmedHope]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8023560]
I’ve collected fur from Angora rabbits by coming them periodically and collecting the fibers in a brush.

A friend of mine did the same thing recently with fur she combed out of her Siberian husky. She collected the fur that came off in the grooming brush and I’m going to spin it into yarn and knit something with it for her.

Not every collection method for fiber is cruel.[/QUOTE]

Is there a market for GSD hair? Cause I can hook somebody UP! :lol:

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;8023562]
Is there a market for GSD hair? Cause I can hook somebody UP! :lol:[/QUOTE]

I don’t think so unfortunately. I ended up doing this as a favor for a friend who would like to have a memorial item from her departed dog. The fibers in the undercoat are lovely and very soft, but not easy to spin because the staple length is so short.

[Cannonball]

Dr. Parker is eccentric and has a different fashion sense than some others. I think it is entertaining. The next morning after the “fur/hat” outfit I saw her at breakfast. She wore sunglasses with medallions or figures on the outside of the lens. Yes, right in front of her eyes. They were unusual and I wouldn’t wear them but they work for her. It doesn’t bother me one bit that she wears a fur coat! As others have said when you quit eating eggs, wearing leather boots, using leather tack, etc. your argument against fur will hold up a little better. What the HE!! do people think “calf skin” saddles are made from? It ain’t a free roaming 8 year old cattle living on 10,000 acres! Calves are baby cows! Where is the outrage???

[nu2u]

[QUOTE=ybiaw;8016582]
How do you know it was a real fur?

Was it ugly? For sure. Was it real fur? I have no idea.[/QUOTE]

took the words right out of my mouth/fingers

[nekvt]

Well,her name is not Cruella Deville and she is not wearing dalmation hide -what’s the big deal? To each her own…

[nekvt]

PS - We have a saying in the NEK of VT - “People need to get over their bad selves”…

[Midge]

[QUOTE=nekvt;8026832]
PS - We have a saying in the NEK of VT - “People need to get over their bad selves”…[/QUOTE]

That’s a pretty old saying, isn’t it?

[Dapple_Grey]

I saw it as an opulent display of wealth with absolutely no regard for animal welfare.
The cowboy hat was just plain tacky.

[Cannonball]

[QUOTE=Dapple Grey;8028118]
I saw it as an opulent display of wealth with absolutely no regard for animal welfare.
The cowboy hat was just plain tacky.[/QUOTE]

LOL:lol: Yep, you nailed it! :lol:

[Lord_Helpus]

[QUOTE=nekvt;8026832]
PS - We have a saying in the NEK of VT - “People need to get over their bad selves”…[/QUOTE]

Am I showing my roots if I know that NEK stands for Northeast Kingdom? Probably not many people know that there is such an area in Vt.

Sorry to highjack this thread.

[adcurtiss]

Can’t… stop… reading…

[skydy]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8017853]
I am addressing the post(s) that said that Dr Betsy

(do you all know that the Dr. is because she has an advanced degree in religion? How many other people who are not in academia go by the prefix “Dr” because they received an academic degree? I have a “Doctorate of Jurisprudence” – perhaps I should be known as Dr. Lord Helpus )[But I digress] [/QUOTE]

I’ve always thought that the use of the “Dr.” prefix by people with a non-medical PHD, is somewhat odd and rather a plea for recognition born from insecurity., but , whatever makes them feel good…
If someone has earned their PHD in theology they can call themselves “Dr”. I’ve just never known anyone that did that.

Lordhelpus your J.D. surely qualifies you for the title as much as my Engineering and Philosophy relatives qualify!
None of you seem to be inclined to make a spectacle of yourselves in that manner though…:winkgrin:

The only people who refer/referred to my PHD bearing relatives as “Dr.” were some of their students, not all of those actually did so… They certainly did not use the title when referring to themselves.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=skydy;8029133]
I’ve always thought that the use of the “Dr.” prefix by people with a non-medical PHD, is somewhat odd and rather a plea for recognition born from insecurity., but , whatever makes them feel good…[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree. There are a couple of well known dressage guys - one a former veterinarian, and the other a former dentist - who seem to always want to be referred to in print as “Dr So and so”. I’ve always thought it was a bit over the top, to use their “Dr” titles when referring to their equine exploits.

OTOH, I know a retired psychiatrist (MD) who rides dressage, and never uses the “Dr” title, and another person with a Doctor of Psychology degree, that never uses the “Dr” title. Most folks have no idea these two people have “Doctor” degrees.

[MintHillFarm]

To each his own…

I have leather furniture and jackets, high end tack and chaps and I eat meat. Would I wear fur, likely no. But that’s just me.