Dressage - Michael Barisone

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

Because Barisone was part of SGF and also has his own civil attorneys as far as I know. SFG appears to be trying to distance the LLC from the events since several of the partners were not on the property and had little influence on the situation. Simply my thoughts. Nothing more or less.

Yes, Barisone was (is?) one of the partners or owners of the LLC, but as one of the lawyers pointed out, the other owners can sue another partner, either in his role as the trainer using the farm, or in his role as a partner of the LLC, if the other owners think he did something to damage the LLC.

If the only claims in the civil suit were Kanarek vs Barisone and Kanarek vs SGF, I can see the logic of the civil attorneys of the two defendants collaborating.

But I think there is a cross claim of SGF against Barisone. In nontechnical terms, SGF can say “We, SWG, think you made us look bad by shooting a client on our property. The liability should be on Barisone, not us”. In that claim, SGF vs Barisone, the two groups of attorneys are adversaries.

To the extent that Kanarek and SGF are both suing Barisone and saying the sole liability is his, the SGF lawyers and Kanarek’s lawyers are aligned, despite the fact that Barisone is a part owner of the LLC.

[LilRanger]

@YankeeDuchess

To the extent that Kanarek and SGF are both suing Barisone and saying the sole liability is his, the SGF lawyers and Kanarek’s lawyers are aligned, despite the fact that Barisone is a part owner of the LLC.

They are somewhat aligned, but SGF is trying to rid of the whole thing, not just toss B under the bus. They won’t be cozying up to K, because with out SGF she may not be able to collect any money.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Jealoushe

@YankeeDuchess

Do you think the lawyers viewing the threads in their entirety will scratch their heads in befuddlement at the inside jokes, come to see Lauren as a sociopathic manipulator, or think Barisone had surrounded himself with “unstable nut jobs”?

They will for sure come and print the thread out if they . From my experience, they gathered everything they could from social media, even stuff unrelated. If they are doing their job, they are going to dig dig dig.

I don’t think it matters what people think of “Her” or “Him” in the process. What matters is the jury or judge determining that the victim was shot and that it either was or was not in self defense.

If I understand you correctly, I’m glad to hear that you do not think that value judgments on Lauren’s general social media persona are pertinent.

[trubandloki]

The way I read the posts here (and in previous threads), that in the civil case it might matter. Criminal not so much.

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

I have never had any direct communication with Lauren. However, a couple weeks ago, my notification feed indicated some new “likes” by a username La-la Poprider for some of my posts in those old threads. I thought it was curious at the time, but it seems understandable now that she would be going through the old threads in response to this discovery demand.

Wow.

[Jealoushe]

@YankeeDuchess

If I understand you correctly, I’m glad to hear that you do not think that value judgments on Lauren’s general social media persona are pertinent.

Personally I do not. I know the public opinion but I also understand the criminal law a bit. I think MB is pooched criminally. Civil law…not sure about that one.

[MHM]

I have not been keeping up on this at all. Have there been many threads on this subject in the last year or so? And has LK posted on them?

I remember the original thread where she posted a lot before it was locked, but I have not kept up since then.

[YankeeDuchess]

@LilRanger

@YankeeDuchess

To the extent that Kanarek and SGF are both suing Barisone and saying the sole liability is his, the SGF lawyers and Kanarek’s lawyers are aligned, despite the fact that Barisone is a part owner of the LLC.

They are somewhat aligned, but SGF is trying to rid of the whole thing, not just toss B under the bus. They won’t be cozying up to K, because with out SGF she may not be able to collect any money.

I agree with you that SGF’s overwhelming motivation is to protect itself from liability. The question is, can they accomplish that without throwing Barisone under the bus?

Everyone wants to say, “don’t blame me, blame someone else “. If Lauren’s primary beef is with Barisone himself, she doesn’t want him to somehow slither away from liability by saying the LLC, as property owner, was liable because they somehow allowed a gun on the property. So she has to sue the LLC to cover her bases. She wants Barisone held responsible, whether as himself personally, as his training business, or as a partner in the LLC.

Remember, SGF has sued Barisone. How is that anything other than an attempt to save their own skin by throwing him under the bus?

I’m not saying they are cozying up to Kanarek. However, if her posts consistently indicate that, as the victim, she viewed Barisone or Cox as the responsible parties, that helps their case.

It appears that it is easier for SGF to defend itself by taking the position “whatever happened here, it was Barisone and/or Cox, not us” as opposed to saying “there is no liability because it was self defense.”

[trubandloki]

@MHM

And has LK posted on them?

LK did come and post in a bunch of threads recently. All the threads that were previously locked some how got unlocked when they migrated over to this new format. LK posted in all of them to state that they should be locked and they were relocked.

[LilRanger]

@YankeeDuchess

It appears that it is easier for SGF to defend itself by taking the position “whatever happened here, it was Barisone and/or Cox, not us” as opposed to saying “there is no liability because it was self defense.”

I have no idea what would be easier for them, I presume that this is what the attorneys are trying to figure out with the discovery requrests.

[Scribbler]

I think damages awarded in a civil law suit by a jury can be unpredictable. Sometimes juries reach surprisingly generous decisions, which might be overturned on appeal. They could just as easily reach a surprisingly ungenerous decision, if the plaintiff appears unsympathetic. In this case, all the social media posts could be relevant. But such suits are often also settled before they go to court, with both parties evaluating what they have to win and lose by risking court. And in that case there’s often a big nondisclosure contract. So it all gets settled behind closed doors.

[Angela_Freda]

I wonder how the other principals of SGF, besides MB obviously, felt/feel about the situation prior to the shooting, wherein a client/tenant was allegedly acting in a way some might find less appealing in a client/tenant/guest.

[LilRanger]

Very true, and the eevidence that is actually seen by the jury is sometimes so very different from what the public believes or has access to. I mean, just look at the McDonald’s coffee case, the evidence in that cae was incredible, and no one had any idea until the details come out.

[Angela_Freda]

Which is interesting, that she was one of the few COTH poster to have noted that they were actually unlocked.

@trubandloki

All the threads that were previously locked some how got unlocked when they migrated over to this new format. LK posted in all of them to state that they should be locked and they were relocked.

[MHM]

Thanks.

[trubandloki]

@Angela_Freda

Which is interesting, that she was one of the few COTH poster to have noted that they were actually unlocked.

I have to assume she actually went looking for them. Maybe it was to fulfill this request in the civil case, maybe she was just looking.

[vxf111]

@clanter

I was involved in wrongful injury law suit, when the other party failed to respond to requests from the judge the case was dismissed with prejudice ending the affair completely

Judges don’t serve requests so this doesn’t 100% make sense to me. At some point a case can be non prossed if the plaintiff completely falls off moving it forward but generally that takes a lot more than one overdue discovery response.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

I have not been keeping up on this at all. Have there been many threads on this subject in the last year or so? And has LK posted on them?

I remember the original thread where she posted a lot before it was locked, but I have not kept up since then.

There have probably been about six threads. LK sporadically appears in most of them.

When I checked the quantity and timing of her posts, I was surprised to see that she has “only” contributed about 500 posts since the shooting and only one prior to the shooting. LK would show up sporadically, post intensely for a while, then disappear.

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

When I checked the quantity and timing of her posts, I was surprised to see that she has “only” contributed about 500 posts since the shooting and only one prior to the shooting.

Same. It felt like a lot more than 500 at the time.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Angela_Freda

I wonder how the other principals of SGF, besides MB obviously, felt/feel about the situation prior to the shooting, wherein a client/tenant was allegedly acting in a way some might find less appealing in a client/tenant/guest.

If it were true that Barisone had asked her to leave the SGF property (asked her to leave as the trainer or as a part owner of the farm), her refusal to leave might put SGF in a better position. If eviction papers had been served, they would have been served on behalf of SGF

If Barisone has evidence that he asked her to leave, such evidence would be beneficial SGF.