Dressage - Michael Barisone

As I remember the discussion, NJ does not have a monetary bail system, but some people are released pretrial depending on the severity of the charges and on the assessment of whether release would be a risk to the accused or to others.

Barisone had a hearing on whether or not he would be released pending the trial and the judge decided he would not be released.

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YD has found the bold button.

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Thankfully, I don’t see any of those posts anymore. :+1:

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But yet still cannot accurately comprehend other people’s posts.

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Here is an article about pre-trial detention and the need for reform: https://www.vox.com/2019/5/7/18527237/pretrial-detention-jail-bail-reform-vera-institute-report

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:rofl: Like skydy, I don’t see them.

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Thanks for the personal commentary, @Joanne.

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Thanks for the personal commentary.

Thanks for the personal commentary.

Thanks for the personal commentary.

She has problems empathizing with people who don’t look like her and or have different backgrounds.

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MHM was referring to two populations: inmates and the elderly in LTC facilities. Both populations are among those who have been unable to have personal visits from loved ones due to Covid. Obviously we can talk about both groups.

I have plenty of empathy for “people who don’t look like me” and who have “different backgrounds”.

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Wait, are you being serious?

Jails (and prisons) are huge revenue sources. For private companies in particular, but counties and states, as well.

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Yes, I am being serious. Jails and prisons require massive expenditure flows of state and county taxpayer funds whether the states and localities operate them directly or contract out their operation to private companies.

What is one state for which prisons appear on the revenue side not the expenditure side of the balance sheet?

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Does your article establish that prisons are a revenue source for the state or county that contracts them out? That is what is in dispute.

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Do you interpret this article as saying the payments for housing state prisoners 1) offsets some of the county’s costs in running its jails or 2) is sufficient that, on net, the county jails are a revenue source for the county? Two different things.

It can happen, when a state-run prison sends inmates to a county-run jail and pays a boarding fee per prisoner. The state is paying the money, but the county jail is making money, so much so that some are building bigger jails to take on more state prisoners as a revenue source.

“In Oklahoma, for instance, where 25.5 percent of local jail beds are filled by state prisoners, sheriffs receive $27 per day for each inmate they hold for the state — making up as much as 7 percent of some counties’ budgets.” source: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/09/local-jails-profit-from-warehousing-state-prisoners/

“The money that the state pays for locking up state prisoners in local jails has supplanted the role of coal as a revenue source for county budgets,” source: https://ohiovalleyresource.org/2019/03/05/profiting-off-prisoners-state-inmates-mean-big-bucks-for-local-jails/

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If 25.5% of beds are filled with state prisoners for which the county gets $27 per day, that means 74.5% of the beds are empty or have county inmates. The county jail receives revenue from the state for housing these prisoners, but it is difficult for me to believe it fully offsets all the costs in running these jails so that the jail operation as a whole is a revenue source.

$27 per day per state inmate seems awfully low, considering personnel costs.