Did you bother to even read both articles?
This may not be a common occurrence, but in some counties (particularly rural ones) they are making revenue and profit by housing state prisoners. So much so that they want to increase their jail facilities to house more prisoners to increase said profit.
Bold of you to assume she was ever going to.
“…but I would not consider them “for-profit” enterprises…” YD, when you wrote that you were referring to PRIVATE prisons, not state or county. And yes, private prisons are most certainly FOR PROFIT, regardless of how you “consider” them.
Nah, why start reading now? That would take all the fun out of it! Why make comments that make sense and take actual facts as facts? It is her modus operandi!
There’s not just state prisoners that offset county costs, there’s federal prisoners too.
Indeed, I understand that the county jails receive revenue on the order of $30 per day per state prisoner for housing state prisoners in county jails.
If it were costing the county $10 million per year to run the jails to house the county inmates, and they received $3 million from the state to use otherwise empty beds for state prisoners, then
If all you are saying is the county jails can be “revenue sources” for the county in the sense of 1), I agree with you.
When I originally said that county jails were not “a revenue source” for counties, I meant that in the sense of 2).
My reading of your articles is that they documented 1), which I have never disagreed with. I did not see evidence from the articles as to saying that contrary to 2) operating the jail was a net revenue source for the county.
Care to contribute to the topic of the thread rather than continuing the personal commentary, @Equkelly?
Unlike most CE threads, the Barisone threads are harder to get going again when they get shut down.
I also said that you can consider the managerial fees earned by the private firms as “profits” if you wish.
If you don’t get the distinction wrt “for profit” educational institutions, I won’t pursue it.
No thanks, I don’t often speak on topics where I don’t know the facts. I’m sure you wouldn’t understand.
Care to make a comment on the topic of the thread rather than commenting on me, @cutter99?
Unlike most of the topics in CE, the Barisone threads cannot always be reopened once they are shut down. Perhaps no one cares if it gets shut down.
That’s laudable. It’s not so laudable that you substitute personal commentary when you have nothing to contribute to the topic, as that is what gets threads shut down, @Equkelly.
“Close to net neutral for the county”. Thank you.
I like Norway’s approach to rehabilitation and reducing repeat offenders. It seems more humane and effective in reducing the prison population.
It seems to me at least, that in the long run, changing people’s behavior and giving them tools to succeed is better in the long run for society.
Thanks to the ignore feature I can’t see why the thread suddenly has 30+ new comments, but I’m guessing someone has taken a point only tangentially related to the actual topic and is now nit picking every word of every post that doesn’t agree with her interpretation of said point?
For those of you who are interested in discussing the actual topic, is there any new information in the last 30+ posts? Or is it still in limbo as defence and prosecution go through discovery?
A few posts are from a certain poster asking for only on-topic commentary. But it is okay when she goes off topic.
That’s called “kettle calling the pot black”.
Nothing new has been published.
Well since we are playing with hypotheticals:
If it were costing the county $2.89 million per year to run the jails to house the county inmates, and they received $3 million from the state to use otherwise empty beds for state prisoners, then
Until we actually know the annual budget of said jail is - we are just applying a known practice against an unknown budget. Until either one of us does the leg work to determine what the total operating cost is for one of these county jails your hypothetical could be closer to reality, or mine could be. I guess that is what makes hypotheticals fun.
I agree 100%. LR came up with an example of a county for which the jail was “close to revenue neutral”. I think that there are very few or zero counties that run jails as a net positive revenue source as in your hypothetical, but perhaps there are some.
Jails have other revenue sources, such as charging inmates more for zoom calls they the cost of providing the service. In some states, license plates are manufactured with prison labor.
California uses state prisoners on the fire crews fighting wildfires, and, I assume, pays them much less than it pays professional firefighters.
I don’t know the county numbers for the net expenditure on county jails, but I do know that California state correctional institutions are a big burden in the state budget.
And threatening to get the thread closed down. Stirring the pot as usual!
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