Friend has upper level mare (Dutch) and isn’t having luck with frozen (aged)…Big & compact mare, gorgeous head. No glaring faults. She could use more elasticity & shoulder freedom if we’re nit-picking, but she is a powerhouse behind…This is probably the last foal for this mare, and a stallion with offspring in the Grand Prix ring or with his own record in the Grand Prix’s is a must. Will be registered Dutch. Not looking for a “foal maker” - as my friend states. Thanks for all the help - dressage isn’t my ring 
Olivier springs immediately to mind. He’s approved KWPN and is currently competing very successfully at GP. He not only lives in the US but he was bred there too and has a reputation for passing on his lovely temperament. 
Is Idocus available by fresh now that he is retired from competition?
How about the Idocus son, Olivier? Or is he available only by frozen?
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Is Idocus available by fresh now that he is retired from competition?
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He was last year on MWF…don’t know the current situation, but my guess is yes.
Tell her to check out Rainbow Equus…I’m just not sure about KWPN for the foal, but they have stallion(s) producing GP offspring. Some might even be international–not sure. Edgar is fabulous to work with and will give an honest assessment of his stallions’ strengths and weaknesses.
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He was last year on MWF…don’t know the current situation, but my guess is yes.
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Actually, I believe she could breed to any stallion fully approved by an “erkend” studbook and register the foal in KWPN Register A. Erkend studbooks would be Hanoverian (VhW and also AHS, I think) and Oldenburg (GOV), also Westphalian and Holsteiner Verband (not sure about AHHA). That would open up a lot more possibilities for her.
Wolkentanz II competed through Int-I in Germany (and Johannes Westerdarp, who bought him at 3 days old and rode him through I-1 just said in Dressage Today that he was his favorite horse to ride).
Wolkentanz II stands in Canada (warmbloodscanada.com) and has offspring that are in the FEI levels
Here are a few
A gelding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK47vtsYKXo
A mare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPusVI59F3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc8AfOdCk
And Ulla Salzgeber rides this W II mare at Grand Prix (scores in the 70s)
How is she bred? I would think Idocus could be a super cross for her! I’m sure happy with how mine turned out from a big, compact, beautiful older Dutch mare.
Wolkentanz II is very likely the most productive in terms of what you are asking for…lots of advanced level offspring.
I also know of a super! Loerke gelding that is GP and talent enough to medal and Bonny Bonello’s international horse is a Pointmaker.
Hailo PgE* was himself a GP dressage horse and has sired a few GP dressage horses (Hailo did die this year but there is frozen on him). Oskar II Pg also has a GP record himself but none of his kids are old enough to have gotten to GP yet.
Abundance, 1965, did grand prix. He produced Again and Again, and Able Spirit who competed at grand prix. Again and Again produced Alacazam who competed at grand prix. Waldaire competed at grand prix, so we are anxiously awaiting the Waldaire/Again and Again crosses to be old enough to perform in the big ring.
Hailo PgE* was himself a GP dressage horse and has sired a few GP dressage horses (Hailo did die this year but there is frozen on him). Oskar II Pg also has a GP record himself but none of his kids are old enough to have gotten to GP yet.
Anissa, are Trak stallions considered Erkend by KWPN?
Abundance, 1965, did grand prix. He produced Again and Again, and Able Spirit who competed at grand prix. Again and Again produced Alacazam who competed at grand prix. Waldaire competed at grand prix, so we are anxiously awaiting the Waldaire/Again and Again crosses to be old enough to perform in the big ring.
Same question - would those stallions be considered Erkend by KWPN?
I’m asking since the OP apparently wants to register the foal with KWPN.
Not sure about the Erkend - I do think Oskar would be as he is approved with other registeries outside ATA. I think with the performance Hailo might be too? I honestly don’t know. Also Oskar was bred to more than one Dutch mare this year (hence the reason that I think he is accepted… ). Also not sure, but can check… for some reason I was thinking Hailo might have been approved in Germany first then brought over and approved ATA? I may have that wrong though, I may be thinking of one of Jean’s other horses.
DY - I have already spoken with the KWPN-NA - Waldaire is considered approved for breeding by them as he is full licensed by the GOV among other registries. For instance, if I breed him to my foalbook KWPN mare (by Idocus) the resulting offspring get full KWPN papers and are considered Dutch Warmbloods.
I just had a super Idocus colt born a few days ago. Bred her with fresh semen and she settled easily. His semen was great! I assume that he’s available fresh again this year. I’ve seen 5 Idocus foals personally (4 out of Oldenburg mares) and all have been superior. Certainly Olivier speaks for himself and he’s the only one I know by a Dutch mare. Olivier himself produces super offspring, just none of them are old enough yet for GP (I believe) - just wait. Check them both out.
Hailo was not approved in Germany prior to his export - he was only a yearling if I recall correctly.
Only Beaujolais had German approval before he came to Jean’s place.
Aquafarms stands the Gribaldi son Kougar v. C - has not competed himself, but the bloodline certainly works well with Dutch lines.
Thanks Maren - I honestly couldn’t remember which one of Jean’s stallions had approval in Germany.
I did talk to Joe (at Aqua Farms) and foals by Oskar are elig for full papers with KWPN and has bred 8 Dutch mares this year.
There is also a note on the KWPN - NA site (and I just read it fast so I might have misunderstood it) but if a stallion is from an Erkend registry and has either been approved by the KWPN or reached GP the foals can be registered in the appropriate stud book. Could not for the life of me figure out which stud books are “Erkend” though other than it states that the JC is Erkend.
I think the Dutch have been the leaders when it comes to the use of Trakehner blood in there registry !! There seem to be a special something that happens when crossing these two books, You have only to look at the international dressage horses on the Dutch team to see this, Four of there top horses have at least 50% Trakehner blood in them you have Moorlands Totilas,Painted Black and Sisther de jer all by Gribaldi then you have Nadine by Partout.
Joe
Bumping this up
Looking for US based stallions that have produced GP dressage horses.
I’ll add Lagoheidor to this list.
UB40 has sired Apache and El Capone. I hear Apache is now showing GP.
Since this is a five year old thread, I want to know who the OP’s friend bred to and what the young horse is up to…
