Dressage trainer killed

[enjoytheride]

Her daughter will carry the same scar as that of the daughter of a serial killer?

WOW.

It is very unthoughtful of you to compare the sadistic, brutal, and repeated murders from a serial killer (who kills human beings) to someone whipping a horse.

An awful thing for sure, but to compare it to human murder? To say her daughter will bear those scars for the rest of her life? So that makes it ok to celebrate her mother’s death?

It’s a very twisted way of explaining why you aren’t concerned about her family reading your posts.

[Manahmanah]

Really, serial killers? :no:

[Blume_Farm]

I consider myself a pretty liberal person. I believe in giving people a chance to do better, to help them do better. However, folks are insinuating if someone had come along to hold her hand and show her a better way she would have done so. Or that she is just recycling abuse that was done onto her to these innocent horses.

1. I work daily with animals as a vet. I see folks abuse and neglect their animals. Over 15 years I have tried to “council” these folks. Sadly, it doesn’t work. They need to be instructed as a child sympathy, kindness, etc. Or maybe they were and the person is just a bad seed as that happens too. Animal hoarders will always be hoarders. Animal abusers will always be abusers.

2. To write in one breath it is offensive to this woman’s family to not be sad about her death, but then in the same breath suggest she is that way due to some abuse earlier in her life I am sure would be offensive to her family.

I understand the dislike of feeling like people are carrying burning pitch forks against this woman, and that yes abuse of an animal sentence is not death. However, she died WHILE working with the animal. An death sentence was not executed upon her by anyone (but that animal). And, I don’t get the sense of a riled crowd clamoring her demise.

I also don’t feel like I should feel bad or ashamed that I hold an animals life and dignity in high regard. I don’t feel bad for a poacher killed by an elephant. I feel bad for that elephant that was tortured. I don’t feel bad for a man mauled by his dog that he abused and taught to fight (had that happen in my practice…dog was euthanized, man got to keep his other fighting dogs. How is that justice?). I feel bad for that poor dog I had to euthanize. I feel bad that some humans are so terrible a species that they dominate, abuse, torture other animals for their own benefit.

[Jeito]

Some of these comments make me sick. In my job - prosecutor - I’ve played a role in convicting and sentencing the most sociopathic, brutal, sadistic killers to life imprisonment and even death. But I have not once wished a horrible death on any of them. I cannot think of one case in which I haven’t felt some sympathy for the defendant. I cried the last time someone was executed in Pennsylvania (even though that person asked to be).

Don’t delude yourself that loving animals but wishing horrible things on human beings makes you a good person. Even serial killers love their pets.

[Manni01]

I would like to add something… Here is an article written from maybe a different perspective, and its giving some facts…
http://www.express.de/sportmix/tod-der-tierquaelerin-hier-trat--rolando--reiterin-christine-wels-tot,3204,31295808.html

The horse was with 3 other professionals before he came to this woman. So my question is… what did these riders do??? There is more then one rider practicing cruel training methods and i think its not fair to unload all the aggression on one person. I sure disagree with methods like that and I would never ride my horses in a cruel way but in this case it seems to me that other riders kind of caused her death, because they ruined this horse…

[peedin]

I’m not glad she’s dead. I am glad the horses under her care/supervision/training will no longer be beaten, whipped, and abused. I’m not sorry she is dead, for I didn’t know her and she had no bearing on my life.

I hope there is nobody in this world who saw her methods as valid. I hope nobody carries on her training methods. I hope the only legacy she left is as a bad example.

[Sticky_Situation]

While abusing a horse or other animal is never excusable, I’m always amazed at how judgmental many so-called “animal lovers” can be – in this case to the point that they are taking pleasure in the death of a person.

Hypothetically speaking, what if a person was well meaning but a very bad rider, so that they were inadvertently causing the horse pain and anxiety? Would it be “poetic justice” if they were killed when the horse bucked them off?

[SillyHorse]

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;8242170]
I feel bad that some humans are so terrible a species that they dominate, abuse, torture other animals for their own benefit.[/QUOTE]
Beautifully expressed.

[Gloria]

[QUOTE=Sticky Situation;8242414]
While abusing a horse or other animal is never excusable, I’m always amazed at how judgmental many so-called “animal lovers” can be – in this case to the point that they are taking pleasure in the death of a person.

Hypothetically speaking, what if a person was well meaning but a very bad rider, so that they were inadvertently causing the horse pain and anxiety? Would it be “poetic justice” if they were killed when the horse bucked them off?[/QUOTE]

A well-meaning bad rider has sympathy for their horse. This woman enjoys whipping the horse. See the video. I can’t believe you even put them in the same category. So yes, it is poetic justice this woman was killed by the horse while a rider falling off a horse and killed would be a great tragedy.

[Crockpot]

This person did not learn anything - she is dead.

I would rather see severe penalties than death. I wish that she had been prevented from working with horses ever again.

But think that those who are toasting her death are also disturbing.

[Gloria]

[QUOTE=Manahmanah;8241710]
Really, serial killers? :no:[/QUOTE]

Yes. She is in my mind in the same category as serial killers. Lowest trash.

For folks who are shocked about my claim that her family might not feel as bad as you imagine, maybe you should read some interviews of the surviving families of the serial killers. They may be sad - yes, as some are loving parents. But the feeling of relief is also undeniable. No, this woman was no serial killer. She was an animal abuser. Serial killers get their thrill from killing. She got her thrill from whipping. They are surprisingly comparable.

And no, I don’t rejoice in her death. She was too inconsequential for me to feel joy in her living or dying. I feel joy that she will no longer hurt another animal.

[Sticky_Situation]

[QUOTE=Gloria;8242546]
A well-meaning bad rider has sympathy for their horse. This woman enjoys whipping the horse. See the video. I can’t believe you even put them in the same category. So yes, it is poetic justice this woman was killed by the horse while a rider falling off a horse and killed would be a great tragedy.[/QUOTE]

You’re right, they aren’t in the same category from a human perspective. But from the horse’s perspective, they both cause him/her to feel uncomfortable and afraid.

[Countrywood]

Those who abuse animals can cause death or injury to people…not directly but indirectly. I speak of the people who end up owning, riding or handling the animals that have been abused. The animals are traumatized, and even if they have a high price tag, can be unpredictable, lash out, are not trusting of humans ( who can blame them)

I know one rider personally who was badly injured by a fancy young horse her parents imported from Europe. She was an excellent up and coming jr rider. The horse was pretty and fancy mover and sweet but could not stand pressure and at odd times would erupt in violent bucking episodes. Not normal exuberant bucking quite different, I always suspected the horse had been pushed similar to what was seen in the video.

[cloudyandcallie]

[QUOTE=Manahmanah;8241710]
Really, serial killers? :no:[/QUOTE]

A lot of serial killers start out as animal abusers. Ted Bundy being a prime example of that. Read any studies or profiles of serial killers. I did.

As a retired prosecutor I believe that this woman got what she deserved for years of abusing animals. There are people who do not deserve to live. If God or nature or fate or karma takes care of erasing evil people from this earth, then I’m all for that. You guys need to get out more and see just how evil some people are IRL.

[cloudyandcallie]

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;8242170]
I consider myself a pretty liberal person. I believe in giving people a chance to do better, to help them do better. However, folks are insinuating if someone had come along to hold her hand and show her a better way she would have done so. Or that she is just recycling abuse that was done onto her to these innocent horses.

1. I work daily with animals as a vet. I see folks abuse and neglect their animals. Over 15 years I have tried to “council” these folks. Sadly, it doesn’t work. They need to be instructed as a child sympathy, kindness, etc. Or maybe they were and the person is just a bad seed as that happens too. Animal hoarders will always be hoarders. Animal abusers will always be abusers.

2. To write in one breath it is offensive to this woman’s family to not be sad about her death, but then in the same breath suggest she is that way due to some abuse earlier in her life I am sure would be offensive to her family.

I understand the dislike of feeling like people are carrying burning pitch forks against this woman, and that yes abuse of an animal sentence is not death. However, she died WHILE working with the animal. An death sentence was not executed upon her by anyone (but that animal). And, I don’t get the sense of a riled crowd clamoring her demise.

I also don’t feel like I should feel bad or ashamed that I hold an animals life and dignity in high regard. I don’t feel bad for a poacher killed by an elephant. I feel bad for that elephant that was tortured. I don’t feel bad for a man mauled by his dog that he abused and taught to fight (had that happen in my practice…dog was euthanized, man got to keep his other fighting dogs. How is that justice?). I feel bad for that poor dog I had to euthanize. I feel bad that some humans are so terrible a species that they dominate, abuse, torture other animals for their own benefit.[/QUOTE]

Great post. There is no justice for animals in the judicial system. Hell, there’s not much justice for children or women or minorities in the judicial system when they are victims of crime. (When one of my killers was lit up with lighter fluid and burned to death in the prison system, I did not feel bad at all. He’d killed an innocent gay business man and robbed him. And he had prior convictions and was on parole at the time of the killing. Life (which was then minimum of 7 yrs) sentence isn’t sufficient for some crimes. And for crimes against animals, most people here in USA never spend a day in jail. Don’t know about europe)

[Foxtrot_s]

C&C’s point abut animal abusers is a serious one.

If children hurt animals, they will very likely become abusers, be it to animals, but then on to wives, or other peers. They often have come from abusive homes and so the spiral continues. The time to intervene is in childhood
because there are always signs.

This trainer had had a conviction before and did not learn a thing from it.

[Countrywood]

Nobody is taking pleasure in her death but posters are speaking honestly. The problem is that abusers , of both animals and children are protected, all the way up and down the line, in life by their status /people not wanting to stir the pot, and in death by the hypocrisy against speaking about what the person was really like.

The beauty of the internet is while it can be offensive, it can also be a beacon of truth. The truth needs to be exposed sooner in abuse cases.

[Abbie.S]

Well, this thread blew up quickly.

We don’t know a lick about this trainer’s early background. We don’t know what her home life was like, we don’t know if she was the product of childhood abuse. We don’t know why she did the horrific things she did, but we DO know she did them. We know she received punishment on at least one occasion, and we know that she did not discontinue these practices afterward.

But regardless of WHY she may have done what she did, it does not in any way excuse what she did. It makes it very tragic, certainly, but it does not excuse it.

I feel for the relatives who survive her. I feel for their loss. I feel for the fact that this situation, this woman’s life, was in all likelihood complicated for them to deal with, and that the outcry at the news of her death is probably equally as complicated to deal with. But my empathy ends there.

I suppose your view on this situation ultimately traces back to your life experiences, but I do not feel that not feeling badly about the fact that this person was killed makes you a horrible human being. I do feel that trying to justify one’s belief based on pretty far-out speculation about the “why” behind her actions is kind of pointless, however.

[TickleFight]

[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;8242856]
C&C’s point abut animal abusers is a serious one.

If children hurt animals, they will very likely become abusers, be it to animals, but then on to wives, or other peers. They often have come from abusive homes and so the spiral continues. The time to intervene is in childhood
because there are always signs.

This trainer had had a conviction before and did not learn a thing from it.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don’t know. I knew plenty of kids growing up who burned bugs under magnifying glasses or caught birds in mouse traps. I also knew kids who helped with slaughtering and plucking chickens on their family’s farm. None of them are freaks or came from shitty homes. All are college graduates and well adjusted adults. When I was in 8th grade I used to steal my parents’ cigarets and sell them to kids at school, and yet somehow that didn’t lead to a life of drugs and crime.

Also, how do you know she didn’t learn a thing? Was she kicked while abusing a horse, or was it simply an accident? If it was an accident, do you still believe that she deserved to die? Do you think all people convicted of crimes deserve to die? Why do you think anybody deserves to die at all?

I always take these things with a big grain of salt. There are a lot of fur-baby, my-pets-are-my-ersatz-family types out there who are super judgmental - often intrusively so - when somebody doesn’t toe their line. Maybe this gal was totally abusive to the horses she was hired to train (which begs the question, who hired her?), maybe she was teaching a large, belligerent animal some religion and was unfortunate enough to get caught on tape. Hell, I get people calling animal control all the time because my German Shepherd lives outside. They seriously think that’s abuse.

Either way the loss of life is unfortunate. I find those who rejoice to be disturbing individuals.

[rascalpony]

Was she kicked while abusing a horse, or was it simply an accident? If it was an accident, do you still believe that she deserved to die?

I noted the article written below on the last page. She was indeed killed while working with a horse on the ground; so it was an accident, but probably one she increased the likelihood of by hurting the horse. The article below (originally in German) explains what happened. So it seems quite obvious that no, she learned nothing from her previous conviction.

This vet photographed open flanks and scarred welts on the hindquarters of the horses. [He also watched her] at work with their horses - the horses were tied and repeatedly beaten with spurs and whip, and if they made a false step, there were beatings. In the accident itself, Wels worked the affected horse from the ground. This is then probably increased, reports the vet. What exactly happened after that is unclear. Eyewitnesses have reported that they had seen her a second before and the next moment Wels would have been already on the ground. [She] exhibited serious head injuries.

As for this:

maybe she was teaching a large, belligerent animal some religion and was unfortunate enough to get caught on tape. Hell, I get people calling animal control all the time because my German Shepherd lives outside. They seriously think that’s abuse.

Watch the video. I agree with you about people calling abuse on everything these days (my fly-spraying my horse comes to mind), but this wasn’t a Come To Jesus.

And in regards to this:

Either way the loss of life is unfortunate.

Yes it is. She could have prevented it though. Her abuse of her horses and refusal to stop was (to put it mildly) unfortunate. The fact that she had clients willing to avert their eyes and encourage her behavior no matter where she went was unfortunate. The fact that she didn’t seem to care that her death was preventable is unfortunate. It’s all unfortunate, but I will always be more concerned about the horses that she abused than her.