Is there an english version of the article? I cannot read German. 
Here is the article in question, run through Google translate. (apologies for the terrible grammar/sentence structure! Google is not good with that.) The owner of the barn states she was not abusive, but a vet seems to say otherwise. Because the horseās tasks not as fulfilled as she wanted it, she is descended. was stated by the barn owner himself. This seems to indicate that because he wasnāt doing what she wanted him to do under saddle, she was schooling him on the ground.
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The cruel death of world-class rider Christine Wels (67): In a Meckenheimer stables sent by chestnut gelding āRolandoā (9) trampled to death.
Wels was sentenced in 2008 for animal cruelty after allegedly repeatedly stamped on horses (we reported). Also in Meckenheim was the 67-year-old as a hard trainer.
Christine Wels worked since November 2014 horse riding Lamberz, trained on behalf of horse owners whose animals Wels had moved from their home in northern Germany to the Rhineland to apparently leave their past behind them as TierquƤlerin.
With āRolandoā, coming from a barn near Hamburg, Christine Wels worked for about two months. You should prepare him for higher tournaments. The Hanoverian is considered difficult. āAlready four other coaches had to be him trying,ā says Anton Lamberz (57). His daughter Alexandra (21) is part of the barn.
If someone finds a way to āRolandoā, then Christine, note stated. āShe was tough but no TierquƤlerinā said Lamberz. āIn our stable she has not tortured, otherwise I would have thrown out right away.ā
But: A vet from Meckenheim had displayed after their exposed flanks and welts scarring was noticed in horses Wels!
So what happened in the riding hall? On July 14 to 14 clock Christine lay motionless on the floor. Two feet in front of her was āRolandoā. āHer injury could not be seen as she lay with the left side of the face in the sand,ā says Anton Lamberz. He, his two daughters and a horse owner were immediately rushed to Wels and began chest compressions. āChristine was still breathing weakly.ā The ambulance they reanimated then continue long more than an hour.
Terrible: āRolandoā Christine Wels had entered into the orbit and middle forehead smashed! But why chocked the gelding of a sudden?
"Christine has ridden him before. Because the horseās tasks not as fulfilled as she wanted it, she is descended, "explains Anton Lamberz. Apparently Wels was then a moment too long behind the horse. Lamberz: āIt was a stupid accident.ā According to him, āRolandoā last Wednesday was picked up by its owners from northern Germany.
The former world-class rider who in 1992 was ninth at the World Cup finals in Gothenburg, came after the disaster in the Bonn University Clinic. There she died three days later. The Bonner detectives started an investigation of death. The body of Wels is now autopsied.
[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;8242666]
A lot of serial killers start out as animal abusers. Ted Bundy being a prime example of that. Read any studies or profiles of serial killers. I did.
As a retired prosecutor I believe that this woman got what she deserved for years of abusing animals. There are people who do not deserve to live. If God or nature or fate or karma takes care of erasing evil people from this earth, then Iām all for that. You guys need to get out more and see just how evil some people are IRL.[/QUOTE]
What we tend to overlook is that anyone is capable of being what this woman was or a serial killer for that matter. The expression " But there for the grace of God go I" speaks volumes.
On this thread two very different women were killed in the same way by their horses and both are a tragic loss of life. If so many people here on this board knew of her and what she did for all those years, why didnāt they rally to stop it?
No, not everyone is psychologically capable of being a serial killer or an animal abuser. Iāve dealt with lots of killers, interviewing them, trying them, having them ask me to visit in prison so they could snitch on others, etc. Not all people can be serial killers. Some people kill out of anger, some of out passion, others out of necessity. But serial killers are a different breed and enjoy killing.
Animal abusers like watching animals suffer. Serial killers do not like at their victims as human but as objects. Itās amazing how a white guy in his 20s can have coffee with me and talk about taking a contract to kill one guy, and when he got there, found 2 other guys with the victim so he killed all 3 of them. One of the victims crawled around in the woods trying to escape as he was followed and shot repeatedly. And the killer only got 1000 of the 10000 heād been promised. He didnāt bat an eyelash in the interview or in court. And later escaped from a work detail on I-75 but was recaptured. I had a serial killer of prostitutes in Atlanta. He chose hookers because he thought no one would care. My black detective cared.
People who like to watch animals and/or humans suffer are psychopaths. Not every human is a psychopath. Repetitive killers have no respect for human life. Iāve had serial killers and Iāve had repetitive killers, not the same thing as repetitive killers donāt get the excitement and pleasure out of killing. But both do not value human life. Many serial killers start off torturing dogs and cats and killing them for the thrill of it. Then they often move on to humans. Women are the principal target for them.
Serial animal abusers do not always move on to humans. But itās an indication of a serious psychological problem And as for worrying about what happened to a killer in his/her childhood, well 99% of all my child molestation victims never committed a crime themselves as children or adults. So that āI was abused as a childā crap is just crap. I even boarded a short time at one barn where the BOās best friend had an adopted crack baby grandchild of about 8 yoa, who was on serious drugs, and had already been diagnosed as a potential serial killer. He had been a crack baby, was a great looking white kid, and was already torturing the bunnies and chickens at that barn, and also torturing his 2 yr old adopted sister. Animals can spot the killers. Cloudy, who has always loved children, would run and hide behind Callie when that kid would run into their paddock and steal their jolly ball. Too bad people are not as psychic as animals are.
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I think this thread is getting out of control :(. She was not a serial killer
she did practise a way of riding other people do to :(. Its sad but the truth.
Even in the USā¦,
And by the Way this horse was trained by 3 other trainers before he came to herā¦what did they do to him?? Do we know??
[QUOTE=rascalpony;8243100]
Here is the article in question, run through Google translate. (apologies for the terrible grammar/sentence structure! Google is not good with that.) The owner of the barn states she was not abusive, but a vet seems to say otherwise. Because the horseās tasks not as fulfilled as she wanted it, she is descended. was stated by the barn owner himself. This seems to indicate that because he wasnāt doing what she wanted him to do under saddle, she was schooling him on the ground.[/QUOTE]
It also says that the horse was known to be difficult and had already been through four other trainers.
[QUOTE=TickleFight;8243202]
It also says that the horse was known to be difficult and had already been through four other trainers.[/QUOTE]
Thats why i posted the link. Why does Nobody blame the other Trainers?? Or the owner who exposed the poor horse to all These trainers??
According to many hardcore animal right activists, we are all animal-abusers in one way or another.
I donāt think anybody actually SAID this trainer was anything other than what we know - the comments made were to illustrate that sometimes there is a track record that escalates and that abuse comes from somewhere.
Personally, I think anyone who abuses voiceless, helpless creatures in such a way and especially someone like this woman who takes perverse pleasure in her ability to control and torment them DESERVES the death penalty. Iād be happy to pull the trigger. Iāve seen more and more horrible abuses, cruelty and neglect because the victim canāt speak up. I donāt think she is worth the powder it would have taken to blow her away. Human? Yeah, so what? She was a horrible, evil being that needed to be gone. Celebrate her death ā anytime! Anytime an animal abuser is gone Iāll celebrate. Sometimes just being a human being isnāt enough and certainly doesnāt merit saving such a POS. Evil is evil and I for one am NOT sorry she met her end in such a way. She deserved it a long time ago, apparently. We have no right to inflict pain, torment, agony or any other horror to another being on purpose.
JMHO
PennyG
[QUOTE=TKR;8243293]
Personally, I think anyone who abuses voiceless, helpless creatures in such a way and especially someone like this woman who takes perverse pleasure in her ability to control and torment them DESERVES the death penalty. Iād be happy to pull the trigger. Iāve seen more and more horrible abuses, cruelty and neglect because the victim canāt speak up. I donāt think she is worth the powder it would have taken to blow her away. Human? Yeah, so what? She was a horrible, evil being that needed to be gone. Celebrate her death ā anytime! Anytime an animal abuser is gone Iāll celebrate. Sometimes just being a human being isnāt enough and certainly doesnāt merit saving such a POS. Evil is evil and I for one am NOT sorry she met her end in such a way. She deserved it a long time ago, apparently. We have no right to inflict pain, torment, agony or any other horror to another being on purpose.
JMHO
PennyG[/QUOTE]
And there you have it. Kindness, generosity of spirit, compassion, and erudition personified: the animal lover.
Iād be happy to pull the trigger.
Iām no psychologist, but I would guess that unlike budding serial killers who intentionally torture animals for their own sick pleasure, most abusive horse trainers use their cruel methods as a means to end (ie, competitive success) or take their frustrations and temper out on the horse when things donāt go how they would like ā¦ Which doesnāt mean it is any less traumatic to the horse or more excusable, but the serial killer analogy is apples to oranges.
I still think itās disturbing and hypocritical to be celebrating this womanās death.
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[QUOTE=Gloria;8242560]
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And no, I donāt rejoice in her death. She was too inconsequential for me to feel joy in her living or dying.[/QUOTE]
Itās rather too late for that statement, since you have already "toasted "to the horse that killed her.
Whatever ones feelings regarding the death of another human being, (whether you believe they deserved it or not) intelligence, common decency and concern for other people, should preclude ātoastingā to the death of anyone and especially expressing that sentiment on a PUBLIC FORUM.
[QUOTE=Gloria;8240073]
Poetic justice. I wonāt shed a tear for her.
OK. I will say it: Iām going to toast to that horse.[/QUOTE]
^^Here are your words. ^^
Some posters are clearly upset about animal abuse and were being honest about their feelings. And their remarks might be tasteless. But making remarks on a bulletin board and acting in a manner that harms animals are different sins.
Comparing the actions over a long period of time of this trainer vs some people making poor taste postsā¦the thread is read for a couple of weeks and then fades out. But the actions of the trainer harmed a lot of horses and perhaps people who later had to ride/own the horse as a horse pushed into bucking fits to ātrainā it has an arsenal of pent up mistrust and has learned to buck hard in side reinsā¦ Mistreated horses have a higher likelihood to injure people and some of the injuries can result in fatalities.
[QUOTE=TKR;8243293]
Personally, I think anyone who abuses voiceless, helpless creatures in such a way and especially someone like this woman who takes perverse pleasure in her ability to control and torment them DESERVES the death penalty. Iād be happy to pull the trigger. Iāve seen more and more horrible abuses, cruelty and neglect because the victim canāt speak up. I donāt think she is worth the powder it would have taken to blow her away. Human? Yeah, so what? She was a horrible, evil being that needed to be gone. Celebrate her death ā anytime! Anytime an animal abuser is gone Iāll celebrate. Sometimes just being a human being isnāt enough and certainly doesnāt merit saving such a POS. Evil is evil and I for one am NOT sorry she met her end in such a way. She deserved it a long time ago, apparently. We have no right to inflict pain, torment, agony or any other horror to another being on purpose.
JMHO
PennyG[/QUOTE]
:eek::eek::eek:
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8243748]
Some posters are clearly upset about animal abuse and were being honest about their feelings. And their remarks might be tasteless. But making remarks on a bulletin board and acting in a manner that harms animals are different sins.
Comparing the actions over a long period of time of this trainer vs some people making poor taste postsā¦the thread is read for a couple of weeks and then fades out. But the actions of the trainer harmed a lot of horses and perhaps people who later had to ride/own the horse as a horse pushed into bucking fits to ātrainā it has an arsenal of pent up mistrust and has learned to buck hard in side reinsā¦ Mistreated horses have a higher likelihood to injure people and some of the injuries can result in fatalities.[/QUOTE]
Well said. And as someone else said, some trainers take out their frustrations on the horses. Some people abuse their spouses and children because they are frustrated in other areas of their lives, like their careers. Or they beat hell out of animals. For whatever reasons, the transference of anger is not good when it results in the injury of a spouse or child or animal. And many of these animals end up dead themselves as they become āroguesā which are dangerous. I know one ātrainerā who has 1/3 of all the horses she starts or trains which become horses which rear straight up and almost fall over. Just riding at a barn or in show classes. And she denies that she is to blame. Those horses are all on a long slow road to death.
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Itās rather too late for that statement, since you have already "toasted "to the horse that killed her.
Whatever ones feelings regarding the death of another human being, (whether you believe they deserved it or not) intelligence, common decency and concern for other people, should preclude ātoastingā to the death of anyone and especially expressing that sentiment on a PUBLIC FORUM.[/QUOTE]
I have not changed anything.
I toast to the horse. I did not toast to her death.
If the action of the horse resulted in the death of the person, it is none of my concerns. I still toast to the horse.
Do you not know how to read?
[QUOTE=Gloria;8244107]
I have not changed anything.
I toast to the horse. I did not toast to her death.
If the action of the horse resulted in the death of the person, it is none of my concerns. I still toast to the horse.
Do you not know how to read?[/QUOTE]
I avoid the āoff topicā forum (in its current incarnation). However, when it was a holiday treat, or opened due to a disaster or an event that affected many people, it was most often pleasant, and the kind nature of the people on this BB shone through.
I do enjoy a good debate, however when āDo you not know how to readā is put forth as a response I feel as if I am having a discussion with an angry teenager OR that I have somehow mistakenly wandered into the OT forum where so many angry people seem to resideā¦
There is no need for incivility.
We disagree. I think that the gleeful comments about this persons death show an incredibly thoughtless, lack of concern for other people .
Whatever feelings you have on the subject of this womanās death (and everyone has the right to feel angry ,sad, relieved, happy, or whatever feeling strikes them when someone dies) there are no doubt, people who KNOW this woman.
Do you know her or her family? Common decency precludes dancing on a strangers grave IN PUBLICā¦ canāt you spare her people (and the rest of us) the ugliness?
Toast the horse that killed her, with all who join in your happiness. I donāt care. But wonāt you please give a thought to her people (and to those who donāt find vengeance quite so appealing) and do so in private?
This is exhausting. :( Iām done.
