Hunting is not a competition (it’s survival).
Performance enhancing drugs are forbidden in sport in an to attempt to have a level playing field.
In my opinion, MYOB and avoid disparaging remarks.
Trouble is, OP, newbies often come on to this forum starting with controversial subjects and are labelled trolls.
:: clutches pearls :: I am shocked and appalled that you would attribute to some sort of pernicious flooziness what is merely a display of enthusiastic co-operation. Snobbington Hunt has such exacting standards and such vigorous enforcement and…and… :: dabs eyes :: and I was simply trying to best please the Master. :: sniffles :: I mean, not only is my horse a non-conformist breed, but he has the most horrific manners because he :: whispers :: notoriously bogarts, and that is Just Not Done, and therefore I must try doubly hard to overcome his deficiencies. And now I find that you think I was :: reclutches pearls :: putting on an untoward display. Well, I never. :: sniffs vinaigrette :: I never in all my years!
But I think we need to give Carrie K a free cap
Oh, thanks you!!
for mooning us
A display of enthusiastic co-operation!!
Carrie K is a Drama Mama!!
Dahling…all that pearl clutching and eye dabbing is not gonna get you forgiven for your pernicious flooziness!! But we in the Snobbington Hunt have a special discount for Floozy memberships so there ya go! And “best pleasing” the Master? ummm yeah…that’s the way to go!!
Oh and I found your untoward display best read with a good ole Virginia southern accent. Why bless yore heart!!!
It’s a pretty bone headed move to come here, honestly and sincerely, and accuse members of your hunt of using drugs.
[QUOTE=Beverley;4971903]
Equibrit, I do disagree with you however on what I fondly refer to as the intergalactic field hunter championships. I participated a few times in the 80s-90s, mainly because it was a steal for hunting, $70 got you five days of hunting in a row and some mighty fabulous breakfasts to boot. And folks do take the ‘competition’ part of that seriously, as I discovered when my $700 quarter horse was named to the finals on the first day of hunting…lots of daggerish looks at me the rest of the week by folks on five figure thoroughbreds…:)[/QUOTE]
refugee from the H/J forums pulls up a stool around the fireplace and the rockers Wow! They had five-figure Thoroughbreds back in the day? Nowdays mine was $100 less than your QH!
zips out of range of the hunt whips
Shoot, yeah. Tbs/Tb crosses were the Fancy Hunter of choice, dahling.
I was amused at one finals to have a Prominent Foxhunting Lady Who Only Hunted Elegant TBs send an emissary to find me and make me an offer on the cheap cowpony. I was flattered but pointed out she might not be so interested as he was 21 at the time. (Although I did hunt him 5 more seasons, what was I thinkin’, shoulda put a price tag on him!)
Were you refering to the horses or the riders being “drugged”?
I know many who are on various pain medications and they still Hunt.
Oh you meant the horses? Well many of them are on pain pillls too.
Ace Promazine on Hunters? I don’t think it works all that well once the Hunting horn is sounded and the Hunt is on.
Once the adrenalin begins to flow Tranqs are useless.
Old Hunters never die once the horn is sounded.
I have seen old horses that you were sure were knocking at Death’s door make a magnificent transformation at the Hunt.
The price of the horse doesn’t matter. Some of the best Hunters were Rescue cases.
Sounds like someone just got a little information and now they are too wise. A little knowledge can be a a dangeous thing. Yes and there are still people in the gaited horse world that are soring their horses too.
So what are WE going to do about it. MYOB and let the ones with the authority take care of it.
JMHO
sadlmakr
er … are you talking about the stirrup cup? If so, consider me in…
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How quickly we forget.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115588&highlight=drugging
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130565&highlight=drugging
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212381&highlight=drugging
Not forgotten. Folks don’t like to chew over the same crap, yet again, if a poster can’t be assed to use the search feature. It’s predictable that a newby rushes in with a “HOT” topic without giving a thought to the fact that said topic has been hashed and rehashed many times.
[QUOTE=wateryglen;4982048]
Dahling… Why bless yore heart!!![/QUOTE]
:: smooches ::
One of these days I am going to get brave and hilltop at a hunt. Being in Texas its not very huntery since we can see the fox for miles and miles with all the wide open acreage and our poor coon hounds might be a bit offended to be woken up in the morning to chase something on the ground instead of the trees. But one of these days… as for the drugging of the horses…If you only know what happens in the other disciplines of horses.
I’ve only hunted three times, but my impression is that giving just about every horse in the field a little ACE beforehand is pretty standard. Is that not the case?
No.
Hmm. Good to know, although I wonder if I, at least, haven’t benefitted from being on slightly relaxed mounts–clueless guy learning to ride in his late thirties and so forth.
Well, much as I hate to give serious consideration to thread begun by an obvious troll - while we’re on the subject:
It’s my understanding that acepromazine acts only on the muscles. That’s why we don’t give it to border collies who freak out about _____ (I love them, but they’re a completely neurotic bunch: insert whatever your border collie freaks out about [because there will be something] in the blank.:lol:)
An aced animal is not mentally dealing with the challenge, but at the same time is unable to physically respond as it would without the ace.
Therefore, it seems to me ace would not be the drug of choice for an animal one wanted to be well-coordinated enough to haul one’s butt around the countryside.
Now, I’m a child of the sixties and thoroughly believe in better living through chemistry. My question is: why ace? Do we not have something better at taking off the edge?
Yes, we all drug our hunt horses. We drug ourselves, too. We even drug the hounds if they don’t behave. That is why all the hunt horses are all smiling and happy. And riders are smiling and happy. And hounds are smiling and happy. That is why the fox always gets away because we are all being too busy smiling and being happy.
Horses jump better on ace, too. We all took our clue from the show world that long ago learned that ace was truly wonderful in making horses jump neatly and cleanly to produce 8 perfect fences in fluid motion. They find all their little brain cells are happy to simply focus on just the job at hand. They don’t notice anything else. That is why it was <cough> banned <cough> from the show ring. Now only foxhunting horses can jump fluid and neatly because we can give them all the “happy juice” we want.
We are so lucky.
I think I’ll go give myself a bit of “happy juice” right now. Right under my tongue. So if the troll ever shows back up I can be all smiling and happy and fluid and able to show her how I can do 8 perfect fences and show up all the other riders and horses who wonder how I do it…
:rolleyes:
Wow, apparently I have really been missing out by not drugging my hunt horse. I’ll have to go find a stash. On those cold hunt mornings my fingers are way too cold to work a hypodermic.
Borrowed some Ace from one of our masters once. It was two years past its expiration date. That would seem to me that its not being used much. Sounds like our whole hunt is missing out.
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How quickly we forget.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115588&highlight=drugging
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130565&highlight=drugging
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212381&highlight=drugging[/QUOTE]
Just read all these–most informative. The following post kind of pained me, though, owing to the virtual disappearance of the world it refers to.
You have touched on a very important facet of hunting today v. years ago.
An experienced horseman told me recently that in a manner of speaking, we treat our horses too well in this day and age. When asked exactly what he meant, he replied that when he was growing up fieldhunters were often:
kept out 24x7;
unclipped;
no shoes;
no grain;
no trailer (so they were hacked miles to a meet);
ridden much more regularly and harder during the week.
Think about it.
A clipped horse that is full of grain, kept up the night before in a cozy stall with a manger full of hay, 4 shoes, ridden lightly since the last hunt, put on a trailer Sat. AM and he comes off in 35 degree weather with a chilly breeze blowing up his back and he is expected to stand quietly with a 20-50 other horses after a short gallop when hounds move off?
Really, it is amazing some of them do as well as they do today and no wonder ace is used. Today’s schedule’s do not allow for yesterday’s luxuries (grooms and daily riding) and drugs are a quick fix for any number of situations in today’s fast paced world where time is not an option.
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