drugging hunt horses

It has been many years since I have belonged to a club, thank God for that, but I have hunted with a few since those days.

And since human nature has not changed since the days of Plato and Socrates, clubs are still clubs.

So here goes:

Clubs generally are composed of two groups:

The first flight…hard riding serious as can be, top notch horses fit as chasers. Whether the horses are expensive or not, they are the best in ability and temperament.

The second field:

Composed of the elderly who still love it but are past the age of gambling on broken bones and most certainly on their old perfect hunter, those who come out rarely except for party days, holidays; beginners, and last but not least, professional horsemen out with green or untested horses.

In some hunts, there is a third field primarily children on ponies, etc., although in most hunts they are included in the second field.

Because that second field is such a diverse group there will always be some in it who through fear, ignorance or maybe in the case of the professional horseman, sheer necessity, who will stick their horse with something.

However, to brand the backbone of hunting, the members who hunt every day hounds go out, who turn out on top notch horses and care for them as though they are derby winners, is grossly unfair.

To be blunt, since hunting is not a competitive sport, he who does stick his horse with something hurts only himself. It is none of the OP’s business. The OP and others might rightfully question that person’s wisdom and ability as a horseman but other than that it is none of our business.

So OP, butt out. Go annoy your neighbor for letting leaves fall on your yard or for parking his car on “your” side of the street.

CSSJR

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What cssutton said!! I must say that I take offense in be grouped with the folks who feel it is necessary to “drug” a hunt horse in order to have a safe, happy, positive days hunting. Some/most of those out hunting are ready willing and able to do the homework needed so that drugs/short cuts aren’t needed.

wow. I love you guys. I wanna hunt with you folks. Well, I wanna hunt period.

[QUOTE=WilfredLeblanc;4990083]
I’ve only hunted three times, but my impression is that giving just about every horse in the field a little ACE beforehand is pretty standard. Is that not the case?[/QUOTE]

What? Never.

and though I have only gotten to go out once, and did so cold sober. As was my horse, right Jaeger? He was STILL jigging and hoppy on the way BACK to the trailer at the end! :lol: I am going to post to correct a misconception mentioned several posts back.

Just for the record, the reason that Ace is used when a horse is to be ridden (and I have done it, but only for a horse that is walking under tack after 10 months of post injury, post surgery stall rest – if you think that is not a good idea then YOU come and put this one back to work next time) is because it does NOT work on the muscles.

Other tranqs, such as detomadine, do. Which is why they are used in cases of bad colic – they have a muscle relaxation affect, as well as a calming affect. Also one of the reasons that if you are “aceing” a horse for trailering or clipping, you should always keep in mind that it does NOT render them less likely to kick or less likely to aim effectively with that kick.

Just the drug PSA of the day.

Carry on!

[QUOTE=Bensmom;4991673]

Just for the record, the reason that Ace is used when a horse is to be ridden (and I have done it, but only for a horse that is walking under tack after 10 months of post injury, post surgery stall rest – if you think that is not a good idea then YOU come and put this one back to work next time) is because it does NOT work on the muscles.

Other tranqs, such as detomadine, do. Which is why they are used in cases of bad colic – they have a muscle relaxation affect, as well as a calming affect. Also one of the reasons that if you are “aceing” a horse for trailering or clipping, you should always keep in mind that it does NOT render them less likely to kick or less likely to aim effectively with that kick.

Just the drug PSA of the day.

Carry on![/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up.:slight_smile: After reading your post, I did a little research, and while apparently the mode of action of ace is not well understood, it is believed to act to block dopamine receptors in the brain.
The animal retains visual and auditory acuity - this, I guess, is why its use for noise-phobic border collies is contraindicated - but is less likely to respond to environmental stimuli.
Although some sources did say it was a mild muscle relaxant in horses.
Anyway, now the use of ace before riding makes a lot more sense. Thanks.:yes:

It is also a vasodilator and if a horse gets a bad cut while hunting on ace it can bleed a whole lot more than it would normally.

The reason that detomidine is used in treatment of colic rather than acepromazine is that detomidine has significant analgesic properties.
Acepromazine has none.

[QUOTE=AnotherRound;4991524]
wow. I love you guys. I wanna hunt with you folks. Well, I wanna hunt period.[/QUOTE]

:: waves cigarette holder :: Dahhhhling! You simply must–

:: hangs head ::

Aw, who’m I kidding? You probably couldn’t tell by my previous posts, but
:: digs toe in dirt :: I am a bit of a poser. Oh, I do have a horse and he is a Saddlebred and he does bogart but the rest, well, the rest is just a pathetic attempt to try to fit in. You’re shocked, I know, but there it is. You see, it’s my wish, too, to hunt. But one step forward, two back has apparently been the gods’ design for my life these past few years.

:: sniffles :: I’ll take my fake pearls and my plastic cigarette holder and my candy cigarettes and go sit out by the manure pile now.

Beverley and Wateryglen, I get all woozy inside when y’all say “Bless your heart”. I think there should be a staff position with two tranq guns, one horse one human. Maybe a cropduster loaded with Prozac! I know we shouldn’t feed trolls, but they are such good foils for sharp wits.

I’d really have more fun with a set of shock collars to be put on the field members of my choice…:wink:

Hey! Ya know …most whips carry hard liquor, tranqs, whips, shock collars, and guns (with bird shot for baaaad hounds on the riot or anyone who dares pass the Master).

Talk about a bad-ass sport! :lol: :lol:

No wonder we love it, bless our little pea-pick’n hearts :smiley:

[QUOTE=Beverley;4996718]
I’d really have more fun with a set of shock collars to be put on the field members of my choice…;)[/QUOTE]

OH I love that, I’d put them on the field members that can’t seem to keep their big yaps shut. They would have to be remote controlled shock collars

Oh yes, I’d love some of them as well. :lol:

Let’s quit foxhunting and start hunting trolls. I hear they taste like chicken, and who doesn’t love chicken?

[QUOTE=JSwan;4997120]
Oh yes, I’d love some of them as well. :lol:

Let’s quit foxhunting and start hunting trolls. I hear they taste like chicken, and who doesn’t love chicken?[/QUOTE]

original recipe or extra crispy ?

Tamara in TN

Extra crispy, please.

I hear Tritronics collar setting #5 should do it…

Another stellar idear!!

Cropdusters with ACE!!! :eek:
THATS the ticket!!!
Then we got it all covered! AND it will calm down all the animals, car followers, land owners, passersby and AR activists who may choose to come!! Yep! That’s it!!!

We will commence the above with my dear Snobbington Hunt. Forget the shot lines before the meet; Aerosol is the way togo! :yes::smiley:
Hunt report to follow…

LOL, no one has summed up the hunting field as perfectly as you did.

CarrieK, can I just say you MAKE this thread? The only reason I keep coming back is to see what you have to say next.

As for the poser confession…Baby, you’ve got to fake it till you make it. :lol:

I have hunted exactly once years ago. I do know of one vet in the area that is also a foxhunter and a few of his clients horses hunt on Resperpine. He gives them the long acting shot. I do not know how common it is beyond his clientel.
I would assume that drugging hunt horses is like any other horse sport - there are some that do and many/most that don’t. There are probably some that “drug” every ride and some that use it the first time or two out on a horse that has never hunted or the first hunt of the season.
I am including things like reserpine and fluphenazine- not just ACE, rhompum and whatever other cocktail the vet is willing to provide that acts on a short time basis.