Planning an ET next season with a Jazz-Ferro KWPN filly for resell.
So I’m looking for a niche stallion that I can register with KWPN that would cross well with those lines, but not shoot myself in the foot with choosing the obvious choices (Flemmigh) also would have. So I’m wondering what would people consider a marketable cross?
I’d be looking at that newly licensened Ravel son. (Ravel / Sir Donnerhall)
(of course he’s young and unproven)
I wouldn’t feel bad about not using Flemmingh for ET. I have two doses and am not jumping at the idea to do ET with it. I was told it can be tricky. So not only could you use the semen, then pay money for a flush, and then have the embryo not take. So best to go with either fresh or good frozen for ET. Just my .02.
I would really like to stick with proven sires. Although he is on my list for potentially 15. I like the idea of Donnerhall blood in there to add into the outcross.
http://www.characterwarmbloods.com/index.php/stallions/connoisseur
Will you consider outside stallions? Unless you want to line breed, it is hard to find a stallion with no Ferro or Jazz in KWPN stallions. Apache if you don’t mind a little line breeding always back.
http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2013/11/15/apache-best-represented-sire-2014-kwpn-stallion-licensing-pre-selection-days
Or if money is not a big thing…DeNiro
Lord Leatherdale
Give Siegi a nudge.
KWPN peeps need to weigh in here, but I am wondering if that Ravel son will be able to have KWPN licensed offspring before he has done some sort of performance testing.
OP, what about Ravel’s sire, Contango? Or do you want to stick to fresh semen since you are doing an ET?
Lord Leatherdale is a good suggestion. His book fills up rather quickly so don’t ponder on him too long.
Contango is good to. I have heard people say they would only buy a Contango and not breed to him because he can throw heavy. But I like him and I like the fact he can jump.
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KWPN peeps need to weigh in here, but I am wondering if that Ravel son will be able to have KWPN licensed offspring before he has done some sort of performance testing.[/QUOTE]
Assuming the Ravel son completes the endoscopy and semen requirements, he will be licensed and his foals will be Register A. This is the same book that foals by Erkend studbook approved stallions go into. If the Ravel son passes a performance test at a later date, the foal will be moved up into the Foalbook.
The Register A foals can move into the studbook if they complete the requirements not completed by their sire. For the Ravel son, this would mean the performance requirements (if he had not meant them by that point), so either completing the IBOP in their breeding direction or keur level sport requirements, which I believe for dressage is around Third Level.
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http://www.characterwarmbloods.com/index.php/stallions/connoisseur
Will you consider outside stallions? Unless you want to line breed, it is hard to find a stallion with no Ferro or Jazz in KWPN stallions. Apache if you don’t mind a little line breeding always back.
http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2013/11/15/apache-best-represented-sire-2014-kwpn-stallion-licensing-pre-selection-days
Or if money is not a big thing…DeNiro
Lord Leatherdale
Give Siegi a nudge.[/QUOTE]
I’ve heard Lord Leatherdale’s semen isn’t the best. Although he’s been on my list for awhile, I would probably have him for down the pike.
I don’t mind going outside the norm, however, I would like to have a name, since it’s a resell, and at least be going/have gone GP, or produced GP offspring.
I’ve traditionally liked Contigo, but judging on what the dam of this one has produced, I don’t think he’ll be light enough for her.
Is Sir Donnerhall a stallion you could use with an approved mare? For KWPN
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Is Sir Donnerhall a stallion you could use with an approved mare? For KWPN[/QUOTE]
You’d get a Register A foal. Same with pretty much all of the German approved stallions. For a sales foal, I don’t think Reg A vs Foalbook papers would make a difference.
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You’d get a Register A foal. Same with pretty much all of the German approved stallions. For a sales foal, I don’t think Reg A vs Foalbook papers would make a difference.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. 
He is higher profile plus the foals often get the big SH trot for easy sales.
I love my Dressage Royal (Donnerhall-- Rubinstein) offspring. Great trot and fantastic canter and walk.
Ampere? I know a lot of breeders have raved about their foals from him. Rousseau x Flemmingh
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Ampere? I know a lot of breeders have raved about their foals from him. Rousseau x Flemmingh[/QUOTE]
Except Rousseau is by Ferro. And the OP’s mare is out of a Ferro daughter. Don’t know about the OP, but I am not sure I would be brave enough to linebreed on Ferro. :yes:
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Except Rousseau is by Ferro. And the OP’s mare is out of a Ferro daughter. So don’t know about the OP, but I am not sure I would be brave enough to linebreed on Ferro. :yes:[/QUOTE]
Oh duh… Yea… Agree.
Florencio, Quaterback, and DiMaggio would all be interesting choices - but I am not an expert. I know that both Jazz and Ferro can both throw very hot offspring and those three stallions all seem to have nice tempered offspring but still with exceptional movement. I think if it was me I would lean more towards Quaterback.
This filly is really nice- she doesn’t follow the stereotype of the cross and is very well minded. Or maybe it’s because I’m used to things that never grow up 
I think adding another Ferro is adding a little too much- especially for the phenotype that he throws (excellent hind ends), and I’ve seen enough of Ampere’s and Rousseau’s to go no thank you as a rider.
I wold consider Quaterback but he doesn’t really pass along the gaits. I do like the idea of outcrossing to a Donnerhall. My initial choice was Damon Hill, but I heard the frozen was not good. Has anyone heard how Desperado throws and how his semen is?
Not sure I would consider Florencio for this mare - might add too much “spice”.
The Oldenburg inspectors told me last week they are rather liking Bordeaux these days. His first two foal crops are now under saddle, and they are liking what they see - good conformation, good movement, good brains.
http://www.horsetelex.com//horses/pedigree/364438
Or maybe consider a Totilas son, although I don’t know if there is one available that would work. The one they picked for Rafalca (Governor STR) is out of a Jazz mare, so not a good option in this case. Tolegro has Ferro in his dam’s pedigree, so also probably not an option. And then there is Toto Jr, but I don’t know if you can get his frozen semen here, or if it works.
Ok, congratulations on a mare with great bloodlines! I’d have to really see pics and a video of her before making good recommendations on breeding, but just based on bloodlines my suggestions are as follows…
Voice (De Niro x Rohdiamant)
Bordeaux (United x Donnerhall)
Maybe Dorado?
Hey Siegi,
I’ll get them up when she’s more into the program and post them here
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