Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

[Scribbler]

@jvanrens

@Kasheare

Gotta love the British English! Well hello scribbler!

Many of us posting here us “British” English. Didn’t realise that was a problem?

K seemed to think this positively identified some mortal enemy out of her deep past whom she is off to confront.

I apologize in advance to any and all coaches riders bar tenders and random bar patrons in Florida with British or Australian accents who are going to be dealing with screaming text messages out of the blue over New Years.

[jvanrens]

@trubandloki

@jvanrens

@Old_Mac_Donald

Just which Barisone thread? There are so many!

There’s only one open right now. Should be easy to find in the dressage forum.

Well, there is the artwork thread in off topic. It gets updated every time the Go Fund Me for Michael is updated with some new artwork.

But, other than that, there is only ever one Barisone thread going at a time, like Jvanrens so nicely said.

I forgot completely about the artwork thread! DOH! I love his work, makes me want to dig out my sketch pads again.

[jvanrens]

@Scribbler

K seemed to think this positively identified some mortal enemy out of her deep past whom she is off to confront.

I apologize in advance to any and all coaches riders bar tenders and random bar patrons in Florida with British or Australian accents who are going to be dealing with screaming text messages out of the blue over New Years.

Could get interesting for someone out there. Someone else needs to learn the number one rule of holes, and stop digging.

[Scribbler]

Also she pretty much confirmed the assault wasn’t the unprovoked jump from.behind by a gang of meanies she said on FB.

[trubandloki]

@Scribbler

Also she pretty much confirmed the assault wasn’t the unprovoked jump from.behind by a gang of meanies she said on FB.

Did it involve a cranberry juice bottle?

[jvanrens]

@trubandloki

@Scribbler

Also she pretty much confirmed the assault wasn’t the unprovoked jump from.behind by a gang of meanies she said on FB.

Did it involve a cranberry juice bottle?

[smoofox]

@Kasheare

Thank you everyone for your time and comments. I got what I needed here. You all have a lovely holidays and keep on riding and typing away! Happy new years!

This kind of sneering comment is not professional, does not make you look or sound good… and I doubt that you “got what you wanted” - aside from more attention, perhaps. Thinly veiled “threats” of legal action, suggesting you had actually hired a detective to go through this thread… all of that is just… weird.

Perhaps your detective could start by going after the person who has posted the most in this thread (seeing as you think that is very important and indicative of… something or other) and turned a good discussion about horses into another cluster… current posting totals (not counting this one):

Hmmm.

Anyway, @athelas, your orange gentleman looks lovely! And leaf blowers are known to be camouflage for fire-breathing Komodo dragons…

[athelas]

LOL! Somehow he combines both cart horse trotting AND butt-tucked scuttling at the same time. A talent, really.

[ThreeFigs]

That moustache is ADORABLE!

[OceansAway]

@Warmblood1 I tried to PM you my filly’s papers, but it appears your profile is private and won’t allow for it? I’m not sure. I didn’t want to post it in this thread and have it get lost in all this drama.

[2bayboys]

@Kasheare

I guess I’m just dumbfounded that someone would have any intent to create more drama this way. I would never choose to hide behind a screen name and then continuously post falsities about someone from education to business to very personal life circumstances. I said my peace and wrote all the facts. Everyone can take it how they want, but this continued harrasment by Scribbler is fine by me. It just actually helps the assault case, as it is considered fall out from that. The detective has the link to this webpage and is monitoring the continued harrasment. This is not a threat to anyone, just a fact that this is happening. Everything on social media is readily available and usuable after all.

Re the bolded, this is absolutely not happening. Unless it’s a private detective that you have hired. An actual police detective doesn’t have time to waste on this nonsense.

[MorganSercu]

It was very clear in the first paragraph of that thread that the horse in quarantine hell had nothing to do with you.

Sidebar - does the KWPN or AKC use DNA confirmation before issuing registration papers?

[erinmeri]

@Alterration

I think there are ways of making a response that is reasoned and measured. And there are those who just don’t and it works out fine.

So for instance, if I were being accused of…I don’t know, selling a lame horse or something (I have no horses for sale, I’m just making this a hypothetical) and someone wrote saying that all of my horses were lame and it was terrible I could write something like…

“Horse x was not known to be lame when the seller got the PPE and the horse left my property on x date as sound. It is unfortunate that the horse is lame now, and I will be happy to continue this conversation with the buyer offline to come to a satisfactory resolution”.

But if I instead started saying things like “The lies and slander about me continue from all angles. There’s a conspiracy to get me out of selling horses, and this OP who I don’t even know is telling fibs just to harm my business.”… well…that would be taken entirely differently.

As a trainer, I’d just keep my mouth shut about training differences as you know you’re not going to win that battle remotely. The internet is full of people who are self-proclaimed experts and it’s best to just let your results speak for themselves.

What’s the saying? Better to keep silent and have them think you a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

I think that applies.

By the way - this has nothing to do with the OP or the current respondee, I have no dog in that fight and would rather just stay out of it. But it is just a more general statement about the ways in which you still can respond, and have it not turn into a

I agree. Which is why I said this person did themselves no favors. I was just commenting in general on the notion that one shouldn’t join the fray. Also, like you, my comment was general. No dog in this fight either.

Edited: “No”, not “mo”.

[Scribbler]

Musing about how people who don’t know anything about law think they can mystify and intimidate with law words.

One of the things that was made clear in the Barisone threads was that if the police are investigating criminal charges such as assault with a deadly weapon (or a beverage) they keep the focus quite narrow. They want to know if and how the assault happened. They want to know if there were injuries. They want to know if the defendent was provoked or acting in self defense. They want to know if the defendent caused the incident by intention, negligence, or accident. If the defendent is the sort of idiot teenager who posts videos of him and his buddies kicking a person to death the police will be very very interested.

But they don’t care about how the incident got talked about on SM by people who were entirely uninvolved.

If you aren’t happy with the outcome of the criminal trial you can try a civil lawsuit claiming the defendent caused you a loss of income or reputation or long term physical injuries. But there’s quite a high bar here. And if you go a bit nuts online and make it clear you are your own worst enemy then your suit will likely tank.

And you can do absolutely nothing about people discussing you in a chat group. COTH is mild compared to YouTube or Twitter.

If you do want to try a civil suit for libel or slander, you have to prove what was said was not true. And in the process the defendent can subpoena all your SM and police records and text messages on these things. It’s not enough to just make your FB posts friends only and claim you never said certain things.

My feeling is that if you don’t understand these basics, it will be hard to pass the bar exam.

[Warmblood1]

@OceansAway

@Warmblood1 I tried to PM you my filly’s papers, but it appears your profile is private and won’t allow for it? I’m not sure. I didn’t want to post it in this thread and have it get lost in all this drama.

Sorry about that - I know there is a way to PM private profiles but I’m not sure how so I sent you a message.

@2bayboys

@Kasheare

I guess I’m just dumbfounded that someone would have any intent to create more drama this way. I would never choose to hide behind a screen name and then continuously post falsities about someone from education to business to very personal life circumstances. I said my peace and wrote all the facts. Everyone can take it how they want, but this continued harrasment by Scribbler is fine by me. It just actually helps the assault case, as it is considered fall out from that. The detective has the link to this webpage and is monitoring the continued harrasment. This is not a threat to anyone, just a fact that this is happening. Everything on social media is readily available and usuable after all.

Re the bolded, this is absolutely not happening. Unless it’s a private detective that you have hired. An actual police detective doesn’t have time to waste on this nonsense.

Absolutely. I smile whenever I read this type of thing. When my husband was a CID agent he didn’t even have time to eat or sleep. He was a walking zombie. Their case loads are ridiculous. They do not have time to monitor forums where people are exercising freedom of speech.

[Scribbler]

And also what we are saying after the event is irrelevant to any criminal investigation unless we are claiming to be witnesses or to have committed the crime. Mere commentary is irrelevant. The detective is not interested. If the assault and battery was indeed a glass of beer over someone’s head in the middle of a bar slanging match, I’m not sure any charges are going to stick anyhow.

[Kasheare]

The foal that won the futurity and was reserve champion best young jumper is out of a ulandro mare….all my Mares are harness and gelderlander lines crossed with jumpers. My “donor” mares are full harness/gelded. Discuss breeding all you want but clearly what I am doing is working lol

[Kasheare]

Yes everything is DNA!

[Kasheare]

Actually it is fruit from the crime to prove the harassment after the fact. It’s very easy to see this.

[Scribbler]

@Kasheare

Actually it is fruit from the crime to prove the harassment after the fact. It’s very easy to see this.

QFP