And you’re still here, lol.
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I am curious as to the benefit of using a DHH mare and breeding her to top jumping stallions as opposed to a mare that’s purposely bred for the sport intended. It sounds like there are many folks here knowledgeable, can someone weigh in?
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As I’ve replied multiple times my gelderlander and harness lines are very old. They are saner and sounder than what we are importing. They have crazy elasticity through their shoulder and use/mobility of an active hock. The power they were bred to produce can easily be transferred to jump. At least my lines. So I can breed hotter jumper lines back to these sane/sound/thicker mares and you end up with what we were importing 20 years ago. And again, they are not their own breed at the end of the day. It’s like aqha with different lines. Many of the hunter, jumper, dressage lines have harness far back in them. As someone already explained the entire Dutch book stems from gelderlander and gronigen. All horses then stemmed off from there.
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way behind on this thread, but this made me think of a lovely GRP pony I know. Probably started before that age, but put to pasture until 7ish. Was a breeding stallion. Did fine with new person through about 2nd level and then just said “done with this”. he has been vetted 8 ways from Sunday, body work, supplements, ulcer treated, saddle fitted, you name it. Not interested.
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There is actually a thread in coth on this. Back from 2011. In the sport horse breeding. Just search gelderlander and it will come up.
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When you say sounder and saner than anything we import here, how are you quantifying that? For example, I have an imported Dutch gelding (jumper lines) that has the most amazing brain and he’s never been off a day since I’ve had him. How are you basing that your mares are more sane and sound than your average ammy warmblood?
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This website actually has a great brief overview as well. The Dutch registry is not a long standing one yet. Not even 100 years. So everything is still thoroughly mixed in, many just haven’t sat down and actually analyzed their lines. They just go with what tends to be popular but they don’t realize in the background is what you are saying is harness. I do not have any fine harness lines. Mine would fail out of any harness showing and did almost at the keuring this year. Why I was asked to bring the one foal back at 3 to present hunter type so they could change her stud book.
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I looked at the photos and videos you posted above, but I can’t tell if the mares are yours or are the recipient mares. I’d be curious to see conformation photos of your mares. What made you specifically buy the mares you use? Was it their conformation, were they actively competing, do they have offspring actively competing? Is the black filly with the white markings full harness lines? She is adorable.
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Ok sorry had to get on my laptop as it is just to hard to do on my cell phone.
Yes, I made a very sweeping generalization. I may only be 35, but have been a barn rat my entire life as that is how I could afford to ride. The barn was my “daycare” all summer long each summer. I was lucky to find a very old school classical dressage trainer to learn from that was importing in the 90s. THe horses were big and thick and like sofas. As the market has changed in all disciplines and breeding has continued the last 30 years, many realized that maybe a smaller horse might be better for amateurs. I mean 30 years ago everything was 17+ hands at the dressage barn. But when we start refining things, we lose out on that old bone. In addition we have continued to line breed certain stallions that have created, yes amazing grand prix horses, but also horses that are hot that many amateurs are not comfortable riding. As we continue to distance this horse for that horse, etc…the more we are creating almost a new version/breed. Only the kwpn-na has a hunter type not the netherlands kwpn.
Anyways I digressed. I only buy a broodmare after I see offspring. The mare that I am creating many embryos from took me months to track down in someones backyard. She is 17.3 hands and looks like a plow horse. I will upload video from my phone after this post. But what she can/does produce is why I bought her. This is true for all of my mares. Bianca who is carrying the Royce 2023 foal and whose full tuigpaard was asked to come back as a hunter at 3yo is god awful ugly. If I did not have two foals from her that I marketed for someone I would have passed her over in a second. So yes, while show results are great for most broodmare programs I like to see what they produce before I jump in. It has taken me years to get to this point. Now when I say sane/sound, they just have older larger bone. The pure circumference of bone generally makes them sounder. The gelderlander/gronigen were essentially work horses. Back post war they were there to til the farms but also be a riding horse across country. As to saner, certain lines are notorious for being hot or not. The lines I have are very much work horse. I do not buy “hot” lines, which there are some in the gelderlander and harness. Essentially I have sat and watched what is popular and what is challenging the last 30 years. I always dreamed if I had money what I would produce etc. I finally am at a point in my life that all that knowledge has cultivated to a current producing breeding program. An my intention with my personal program was to create the sofas we had 30 years ago. I’m not breeding for the 1%. I would truthfully not use such well known stallions, but alas I have to keep the breeding breaking even right now and having a “fancy” stallion is something most amateurs want to point out to their friends. I value what the stallions bring to the table, but after seeing what my mares produce regardless of sire I am comfortable with many sires that at least are a little shorter backed because I know what I am going to get out of the mares. Yes 2022 was my first foal crop with Emerald, Chacco Blue and Halifax but they are very consistent across the three foals from the same dam. She gives a big shoulder and intense reach from behind. But again I would not have Reba had I not sourced a son of hers first.
I will follow up with pictures like you asked.
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Ok so Bianca with the bloody shoulder is the dam of all of these. You can see younger conformation and then them older now. And she is the dam of the black filly from this year that was asked to change book to hunter. All of these foals are full harness, gelderlander and all tuigpaard Kwpn.
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Well, I’m hardly anonymous, just laughing at the fact that you are berating people for not using their real names when you aren’t either.
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I see what you mean about the bone. The mare seems to throw very unique markings too. Very cute. I can definitely see how this would fill a niche for riders looking for a mid-level, all around partner.
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Here is Reba the dam of the Halifax, emerald and Chacco 2022. And pics of those babies. And video of the adult son I bought then tracked her down
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My real name is all over this thread. Kate Shearer. I’ve only created a coth forum for the last discussion on my horses two years ago and then now. It created the username. I’m not sure I want to spend the time figuring out how to change it but I will if you want me to
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Well yes if mid level is 3’6” performance and 1.20m jumpers. Most of the foals from 2022 went to trainers actually whereas previous years it’s been amateurs. But you know my first horse Bear as he’s shown in Temecula the last like decade. I have pictures of him jumping 1.50m with a junior rider before I sold him. His kid is now in college. A breeding program takes time but what I am doing has been gaining in popularity and other breeders have actually purchased 2023 foals of mine to contribute to their programs. I think that this years foal crop could easily jump top of standards but it’s more important to me to breed something for an amateur that will last longer and be that happy 1.20m horse.
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I meant no disrespect at mid level. My own horses will be lucky if they ever have to jump past 1.10. (A reflection on my abilities, not theirs)
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To be honest, I couldn’t care less what your user name is on this forum. Like I wrote earlier, I find it amusing that you are berating people for having a forum name separate from their in real life name when you chose to use an alter when you signed up.
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Oh no I know you meant no disrespect and I didn’t take it that way. I also think though that is a problem we have. People want a 1.40m horse when in reality they won’t do anything above 1.10m. So I have seen the struggles time and time again buying a horse with more “horsepower” than needed then the amateur doesn’t even enjoy riding it. So I really have tried to target that middle market. Of course I kept the imothep filly from this years foal crop as I would like to see where she goes and the Jackaroo from next year I bred specifically for Leah Lang Glusic to campaign hopefully to 5 star. Other than those two I really am just trting to give amateurs a chance at something that is more affordable than importing. We shall see though. 2022 was only my third year of foals so who knows in 2 or 3 more years I might be a complete failure, but after years of studying conformation etc I’m hoping to not be. Check in in 2025 lol
Edit I guess next year is this year now lol! I meant the 2023 jackaroo foal coming lol
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The forum actually made the username for me lol But ok. As I said not sure the point of berating something so irrelevant to the conducive discussion a few of us are having.
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I fully agree in people wanting more horsepower than they actually need. But it is nice as an ammy to know that your horse has enough scope to get you out of any mistakes and bad decisions you make! 
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