Interesting you’d say that since For Pleasure’s frozen semen is for sale at $7500 for 2 straws, no contract by Global Equine Sires. Hunter breeding is not my forte so I don’t know what he produces but damn, that’s high. 
They have scope and athletic ability just not the best style in my opinion from what I’ve seen in person and on the auctions. Unless you get a bad leg hanger, I think they’d have the bravery for eventing. Although cross country jumps are dangerous, a super careful jumper type can get scared XC.
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Honestly none of this is what I’d breed for hunters but to each his/her own.
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One straw is 7500….
Edit to add that a suggest dose is 2 straws.
Never bred to him for a hunter. He’s still ranked the number one dam stallion. I’m having a filly. I think she would be a phenomenal cross down the road to some of the newer stallions for show jumping.
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I don’t breed hunters. I breed jumpers. I had one full tuigpasrd from the keuring this year they said to bring back as a hunter.
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Well I’m just confused. I googled you and the very first site that popped up had a 2018 mare called Natoria that you offered as a hunter. Your words:
“While she could go into any discipline I do believe she will excel in the hunter ring! She already has such a well balanced trot(yes a bit more knee than ideal daisy cutter) and canter(lovely quiet big eq comfortable step) and her one time asked to jump, has lovely knees and form. She will be the perfect performance hunter for amateurs or kids because of her personality. I guarantee you at 4 she will be packing a kid around no problem!”
Just out of curiosity, what is this horse doing now? Because nothing about it from the video in the ProEquest ad suggests hunter to me.
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Wow (in reference to that video and that description for that video). I totally agree.
Though this does explain quite a bit for me.
As I have read I have thought - how can two horses with knee action and a high set neck/head make something that will be good in the hunter ring. Which is why I asked at the beginning of this if they meant hunter ring or field hunter. I figured I was the one who was confused thinking they meant hunter ring when they were really talking about a nice bold field hunter. (Their answer was hunter ring.)
Clearly their idea of a hunter horse is very different than my idea of a hunter horse.
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Super cute DHH filly! Doesn’t say hunter in any way, but I see lots of sales ads from lots of people advertising their horses for things that they clearly aren’t so it’s not like the seller is alone in this.
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This stuck out to me. All I could think of “How do you know?”
There are close to a million people on COTH aren’t there? And how many more who don’t register but still read it? People can correct me if I’m wrong. Some, if not most, of the top people in horses in the world, globally, not just in the US, but globally, read this forum. I don’t think there is anyone in the horse world who doesn’t read this forum. They may not post, but never, ever, assume your clients don’t read this forum. Big mistake. BIG mistake.
If your current clients are enough for you, and they really don’t ever read this forum, then you are all set. If you ever thought you might expand your client base and get more clients, you can start out by assuming, correctly, that there is a large percentage of those who might have done business with you, or at least considered it, who will not be doing so, having read this forum, or after talking with someone who has read what you have posted on this forum. Pat yourself on the back, but never underestimate the reach of COTH.
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I am wayyy behind on this thread, and have no dog in this fight. However, this seems to be the best composite assessment of this breeder so far, to me.
I am an oldster, and have no horse at this moment. I have a moderate past with many many friends who are now breeding and training horses in their respective disciplines, and I have often referred them to people I have run across on line either for sales, as their horses seem to fit the programs of people looking for horses to buy, or for others who are promoting their studs or dams. Just a word of mouth thing. These are hunter, jumper and dressage people. None of them would be interested in your horses. Not because they aren’t wonderful horses, but because they don’t fit the high end criteria hunter people want, or jumper people want, or dressage people want.
Why? because your enthusiasm, while admirable, doesn’t equate production. Any breeder I know who wants to promote their offspring, trains and shows them at the levels they want to market them in.
You aren’t training and showing your horses at the high levels you want to market them in. You don’t know how they will perform at 7, 10, 15 years of age becauseyou haven’t put in the work for that.
Maybe these horses will compete well at that level, but you haven’t shown that. the foals you picture are vastly different from each other in type and conformation, typical, to me, of unsure genomics. That’s ok. Sell them to ammys who want a lovely horse. But don’t say you are taking the divisions by storm with an all new type of horse you can confidently produce. Because as per your photos, you can’t.
Your personality is that of a youngster who thinks they have a leg up on the oldsters who know horses, but one who doesn’t yet know the basics of long term breeding of lines and type, who does’t yet have win after win in the discipline they are aiming at. Good luck, I say, but don’t brag beyond what you actually have done.
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A million people on CoTH? Are you sure about that.
I only know like 5 people in real life that even know what CoTH is let alone read it 
it’s not that popular at all especially with the under 30s.
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This is why I went and made popcorn, and a new vodka and soda. Priceless.
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Of course you don’t own any of us an explaination. Yet you keep trying, and trying, and trying, to splain yourself over and over, and juust don’t address the questions, and impeach yourself further.
Rightous indignation doesn’t explain accusations. It usually jsut intrigues us further.
Now, a solemn, honest, and humble acknowlegment of the accusations and an appearance of consideration of their weight, might, just might end the whold debacle.
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Has anyone contacted Tulsa World to see what they say about what was told to them in their interview?
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I like to assume that there are other people like myself out there, who are here but do not talk about the forum with their friends.
It is not infrequent that I am reading a post and go - oh my gosh, I know that person, they were at the clinic last weekend.
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I marketed it for someone. Not mine.
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Do you think they would answer a nobody who contacted them and asked?
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Yes but that doesn’t equate the entire horse world reads the threads. That’s just your community and in the US some areas are very familiar with CoTH because of their publication for decades. I recommend CoTH daily to people looking for advice and 99% of the time they have never heard of it. I would love to know the real number of users, I would be shocked if it’s anywhere close to 1 million.
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So you marketed it as a hunter prospect? That was your professional opinion as the agent for the horse?
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