Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

[skydy]

Again, LOL?

There is nothing funny about the situation or your appalling neglect of your animals.
You can keep up with your delusions about everyone wanting to buy the product of your misguided attempt at breeding performance horses, but don’t expect any experienced riders or breeders to fall for it.

Your ignorance regarding functional conformation in sporthorses is clear. That, and your horrible mismanagement of the health and nutrition of the mares and foals in your care (as evident in your own photos) show that you have no business breeding horses.

You seem to think that you can convince people that your horses look good, when there is photographic proof that they are in terrible condition. Your attempt to normalize the appearance of your horses is at best delusional.

[2DogsFarm]

You need to acquaint yourself with the Great (in his own mind) Nick Peronace aka The Maestro.
You seem to be aspiring to become Maestress

Your COTH critics likely have breeches older than you & many more decades of Breeding/Selling/Showing experience.
Peace Out.

[Tha_Ridge]

@Kasheare

First off Reba’s registered name is Hakuna Matata KG so try getting the entire lineage of the dam correct.

So what is the mare’s actual lineage then?

[Tracygraci]

She say this same BS over and over. In the dogs too. We can only keep spreading the word

[Pocket_Rocket]

I guess she gets to have her name in lights in these threads and a quick scroll of her fb page could be titled “how they done me wrong”.
There’s no room for accountability under the hat that’s trying to hold in the ego.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

There is a mare by that name in Horsetelex.

https://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/2343492/hakuna-matata-kg

It is showing an unknown pedigree for the dam, but the sire is Ulandro.

I’m curious what kind of papers the foals have if there is a lack of verifiable pedigree on the dam side? Perhaps it’s just that incomplete information was uploaded in the Horsetelex database though. Hard to know.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Here’s a YouTube video with some pictures of the “Reba” mare’s sire - Ulandro. He is a DHH, imported from the Netherlands.

There isn’t video of him moving… but from the pictures? I have a hard time understanding how this type could be crossed with a riding type and actually improve a riding type. He’s…VERY much a harness horse.

Ulandro Dutch Harness Stallion

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Hmmm. The breeding program choices get more interesting. She posted this to Facebook on September 25th…

“ Proud owner of a Galoubet A embryo!!! Out of my great mare Ivanka(by Dondersteen) that gave me two incredible Figaro B colts and a stunning Imothep filly. Wowzer!!! Can’t wait to use it next year!!! To anyone who doesn’t know Galoubet A is Baloubet du Rouet sire!!! Such old lines I’m so excited!”

Sooooo… out of curiosity I looked up Dondersteen. And found video of him on YouTube. He’s an American DHH, apparently in Ohio?

The sucker can TROT.

Here’s YouTube video of this big old trotting boy …

Dondersteen 2014

I wonder what the canter on this cross will be like, what with Galoubet bringing in French Trotter blood, and “Dondersteen” as a broodmare sire?

I hope Dondersteen brings a nice temperament to the table. Galoubet apparently was tricky. I foresee a foal who is possibly a bit of a large moose like type, with a tendency to go around with its head UP. Just a guess.

I wonder if any other breeders made the choice to cross Galoubet back on harness type horses, in order to get… riding horses? It seems kind of risky to me. But what do I know.

[Mersidoats]

If you are breeding spicy driving horses, this seems like a good program. This is not the same program that will make a good hunter or dressage horse. And it seems like the trotting blood can be strong - I’ve got a WB mare who has Gelderlander and Groningen way back on her dam’s side, and when she’s feeling spicy, she can hike that tail and trot with the best of them. This is why she is not a hunter, and that trot is difficult to package under saddle. Bone jarring is how I would describe it.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Funny you should mention this. When I searched to check out video of the stallion, YouTube showed me a few videos of Dondersteen offspring being prepped for sale. One involved a young guy actually riding the horse around.

The trot does look challenging to ride. I am a little concerned about a Galoubet / Dondersteen cross. I think it might be problematic to ride. Just a hunch.

Dondersteen Gelding Headed to Buckeye. Lot #128

[Tha_Ridge]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

There is a mare by that name in Horsetelex.

https://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/2343492/hakuna-matata-kg

It is showing an unknown pedigree for the dam, but the sire is Ulandro.

Right, this we all know. Another poster uncovered the full pedigree (with Hackney on the dam line) which Kate is now claiming is incorrect but yet the dam line seems to be mysteriously obscured everywhere.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Aaaahhhh. Thanks for explaining.

Doesn’t KWPN have a DNA program?

What type of papers do the foals have?

[libgrrl]

Hackneys and/or Saddlebreds are common in DHH pedigrees.

[Annie10]

Is that for her? I think it’s for the guy who poured the beer. Unless on page 1 she’s being told not to contact herself

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I know with Amish crosses it’s common. And it sure seems like some of the mares came from Amish country. But does the KWPN DHH book approve Hackney and Saddlebred crosses? Or do they get something like register B papers?

And what of the foals? Do they all have full KWPN papers even though the dams are harness bred?

[cristalle]

@Bristol_Bay

Now I’m craving an automated PM sent by the system!

I am way behind trying to catch up, so this will seem out of place,
But. You made me laugh, Bristol Bay.

[Bristol_Bay]

Glad to be of service!

I have no idea what I was responding to.

[libgrrl]

Friend has an “Arab/KWPN cross.” Briefly saw the papers, didn’t closely check who issued them. Horse is obviously a fine harness/park type. She (friend) continues to call him a Dutch Warmblood cross. He’s a gelding, won’t be breeding, not a battle I choose to fight but certainly one that Ms. Shearer may choose to dupe similarly naive folks with (KWPN and all…)

[McGurk]

She’s refuting @Kasheare 's claim he was prohibited from drinking alcohol.

That’s not what the court order says. At all.

It’s a pretty good example of how the subject of this thread takes a tiny nugget of truth (the person charged in the assault is under court ordered probation) and spins it into something else.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@libgrrl

Friend has an “Arab/KWPN cross.” Briefly saw the papers, didn’t closely check who issued them. Horse is obviously a fine harness/park type. She (friend) continues to call him a Dutch Warmblood cross. He’s a gelding, won’t be breeding, not a battle I choose to fight but certainly one that Ms. Shearer may choose to dupe similarly naive folks with (KWPN and all…)

I wonder if it’s an Arab-KWPN Harness horse cross? I know Arabs are an allowed outcross for many warmblood sport horse books, so long as they are inspected and approved for breeding. Don’t know about Arabs for harness horse breeding though.

As for Hackneys and Saddlebreds, it seems like the American Dutch Harness Horse Association will give crosses like these full papers, so long as a foal is at least 50% Dutch Harness Horse by pedigree.

Given that the sires of two of her mares are KWPN registered and approved DHH, I wonder if perhaps the other 50% of their pedigrees is some sort of Amish cross, and she has American Dutch Harness Hoese Association papers for these mares or something? The Ivanka mare (the one she crossed with Galoubet to create embryos from) is clearly a paint of some sort, but apparently the dark bay KWPN DHH stallion “Dondersteen” is her sire. From the photos and videos KS has of Ivanka online… the mare looks like there might be some draft close up in her pedigree, and possibly some paint. And… that would make her grade when it comes to most sporthorse registries.

This whole thing (using DHH to breed warmblood type sport horses) is weird. I’m guessing all of these foals KS has produced from these mares are KWPN register B foals.