Paint is a breed. The color pattern is pinto. A horse can be pinto without being paint (and I suspect is, there are lines of pinto warmbloods). Although I guess with this BYB, stock horse is a possibility…
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That was my suspicion. Can’t they (DHHs) receive KWPN papers?
You’re right- my mistake.
Are there many pinto KWPN registered DHH horses? I’ve seen pictures of bays and chestnuts with bling… but haven’t seen many pintos?
Here is a picture of the mare “Ivanka” from Kate’s Facebook. Kate says that the mare’s sure is “Dondersteen” - he’s KWPN DHH, and the video of him I posted earlier shows that he is a very traditional plain bay. And a lighter harness type. This mare has a LOT of bone though, and the unusual coloring. That’s why I am guessing that there I might be some draft (maybe Clydesdale) or something else grade going on with this mare’s dam. And that’s very common with Amish breeding…
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I believe that depends upon whether or not one capitalizes the “P”. In both cases–Pinto and Paint.
And yes, there are horses registered as both Pinto and Paint, but most Pintos are ineligible to be registered as Paint.
(And then there are the terms piebald and skewbald…)
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There’s a KWPN registry for DHH, with pretty specific requirements. And… there is an American Dutch Harness Horse Association registry. The ADHHA has a 50% DHH pedigree requirement… but it will give offspring from grade crosses paper, so long as the 50% rule is met.
Maybe it’s sort of like a horse with KWPN Sporthorse papers, versus a horse with papers from the American Warmblood Society & Sporthorse Registry.
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Color genetics are fascinating and I have seen some very wildly marked foals out of fairly “plain” parents. I did a quick skim on social media/google trying to find the dam side of Ivanka’s breeding, but as expected, KS doesn’t appear to be terribly forthcoming about what it is.
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I know some of warmbloods from excellent, well documented lines can have Sabino going on that results high whites and belly splashes. That’s sort of what this mare looks like.
But… she’s got all that bone, and looking at where the stallion stands and how many of his offspring seem popular with the Amish… I suspect that there might be some Clydesdale or something close up that caused this mare’s coloring, and it’s just a guess, but she possibly came from an Amish breeder.
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Piebald and skewbald mean nothing genetically if you want to talk about white spotting patterns
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Sorry, wrong thread.
Nor does pinto when you get right down to it.
They are all descriptors of equine appearances.
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@Virginia_Horse_Mom, thanks for posting those videos. I’m not into harness horses but I do enjoy seeing athletic horses in action.
I’m not into h/j either but even my uneducated self has to wonder why those stallions would be a logical choice for bloodlines of the foals. What the buyers are seeing that I’m not? Does anyone know if there are videos of the dams working under saddle being trotted out? Or even still shots of them trotting or jumping?
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No, but it helps for the average person to understand that pinto =/= a stock bred paint. You can have white spotting patterns in many breeds.
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Yes–I once owned a double-registered Arab and Pinto.
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Neither Clydesdales or WBs have Sabino. They might have a Sabino like type white pattern, but SB1 is the only genetically known Sabino, which is pretty limited to north American breeds.
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Too bad my post was removed…As for public records there are many regarding Kate Shearer. If you would like any proof I am happy to send it privately.Uploading: received_356125173498082.jpeg…
Thank you, but there are many posters here who would also appreciate public records - I am just a commenter-in-general appalled by what I’m seeing here.
If you’d like to share here, please do. Just a suggestion, though, that Mods here prefer we rein in our language (regardless of how passionately we do feel!)
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Shame my post was deleted and yet everyone else can comment… I have plenty of proof regarding Kate Shearer and her treatment of animals. I also have the public proof of her Only Applying for her LLC in in Florida Not receiving it.
I can’t imagine the thought process used to consider breeding this mare to a jumper stallion in hopes of a sporthorse offspring for either jumping or dressage, and certainly not for a hunter.
Why?
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