For my fellow scoreboard geeks, here’s today’s order with scores from the first two phases, plus a column showing how each rider moved up/down in the rank. I didn’t address tied scores.
It’s modifiable by anyone with the link, so feel free to add information like trainers/horses and scores for Phases III and IV (if they announce them). I also wasn’t sure what the multiplier is for Phase III.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9oRFv6nYHYWbTlxeWdZRHlsVVE/edit?usp=sharing
Cool spreadsheet–The multiplier for phase III is 2 but there is no multiplier for the final 4 ride off.They are announcing horses names and trainers for each rider as they go; I know some people were interested.
So far the water hasn’t caused as many problems as I was expecting it would for the top of the order. The issues have really spread out over the course and have more to do with distances than anything else.
And, flame suit on, this course appears to be considerably more difficult than the one we saw at the west coast finals. Lots of tricky lines and complicated distance questions–they said it was based on this years World Cup Finals course, so that’s to be expected.
One note, I do not like the ride through the green one stride at the end of the ring to get to wall of the last line (or going all the way around it). I much prefer the inside turn to it, and I suspect the judges will too, as they’ve cut down the time allowed so much.
And there do seem to be some scope and striding questions, but I do not think that they are as unfair as they have been in years past (so far). It seems less about how big and wide your horse can jump and more about how the rider can manage the track and their pace.
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And there do seem to be some scope and striding questions, but I do not think that they are as unfair as they have been in years past (so far). It seems less about how big and wide your horse can jump and more about how the rider can manage the track and their pace.[/QUOTE]
Agree!
Are the scores withheld until the conclusion of the phase? If not, (or even if they are), where are they posted?
No live scoring-- they are posting them on the USEF Network-- there is a tab above the live feed.
Hunter Holloway just gave a riding lesson. Her horse decided he didn’t want to go to the far end of the ring. I’m not sure if in the jumper ring it would have been a refusal because she never turned away from the jump–the horse just went sideways until it got to the fence. But she got it around the rest of the course confidently and with no nonsense allowed, and gave it an extra school at that end of the ring before leaving. She never got an attitude with it, and remained all business. Impressive.
Oh goodness! I thought the horse was going to fall! Glad both look alright.
I’ve seen about 10 rides and maybe 1 without obvious error.
Oh wow, bummer for Kate Bundy!
I wonder if there is something up with the footing? There have been a lot of slips and trips, and a few more horses actually falling down than I would expect to see at USET finals. Kate Bundy’s horse was moving going around that corner, but to totally fall down? He clearly lost his footing. And yesterday with Gabrielle Bausano’s horse in the line on the in-gate side-- looked to me like he went to take off and just sat down- distance was fine.
Kate Bundy’s horse had a refusal in that corner so I think the fall had something to do with her driving him forward and him not really wanting to go so becoming off balance.
Not sure why this needs to be an east vs. west thing. I wasn’t there to walk both courses, but perhaps you were. The west did have the bank and the water to a careful fence without many strides in between. I can’t say if that was more or less difficult, and I don’t know why they need to be compared, but both courses seem to ask good questions and also be fun and fair.
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No live scoring-- they are posting them on the USEF Network-- there is a tab above the live feed.
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I must be blind. I can’t find a tab with live results…
In the blue drop down menu above the live feed, to the right. There’s results of the West Coast and East Coast results are below them.
Kelly Cruciotti’s horse is a lovely type, he loped around that course.
Same here Madeline! No tab with “Live” results 
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Same here Madeline! No tab with “Live” results :([/QUOTE] No, they’re not ‘live’ as far as I can see either.
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I wonder if there is something up with the footing? There have been a lot of slips and trips, and a few more horses actually falling down than I would expect to see at USET finals. Kate Bundy’s horse was moving going around that corner, but to totally fall down? He clearly lost his footing. And yesterday with Gabrielle Bausano’s horse in the line on the in-gate side-- looked to me like he went to take off and just sat down- distance was fine.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It seems to me like there are a lot of horses going into that corner and backing off some like they’re being careful to keep their footing.
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I must be blind. I can’t find a tab with live results…[/QUOTE]
There is no live scoring so there are no live results. When they post results they will post them on the USEF network USEF finals live feed page–there is a set of tabs above the live feed, but that will not be until all of the first round has gone.
As for the East v. West thing, the only reason I think it’s relevant is because it’s the same class. They have the same specifications and rules for the finals and for the classes in general. Qualifying for the West finals requires 30 points, qualifying for the East requires 90 points. Since it is the same class, I think it matters whether the finals are similar. Especially since this class is supposed to be preparing these riders for international competition.
I watched the entire class from the West coast finals, and the course there and the course at Gladstone today are on totally different levels of technical difficulty. The jumps here are coming up much more quickly, and there is only really one place to take a breath (before the final line). You don’t have the agree, it’s just an opinion.
I have no problem with people wanting to participate in the equitation with that being their end goal, just to participate, however, I don’t see how having a totally different standard on the East coast than on the West is going to help any of these riders in the end.
It’s really the same problem as with the Maclay qualification debate happening on that thread–there is a reason that more people qualify from the regionals in the North East. There are more people doing the class, and the level of competition is different. If you look at the BigEq.com equitation index, the multiplier is different for the winter circuits–that’s because the competition level and number of competitors is different.
Sending a horse from the West coast for indoors is not cheap. And then you have to leave it here for over a month if you’re going all the way from Capital Challenge through the National Horse Show. We’ve debated on here about how unfair it is to riders to have qualifying classes for medal finals not be set at the specification height or for the courses to be as difficult, because they get to Harrisburg and see something they’ve never seen before and they aren’t ready and it’s not pretty or fun. This is the same problem. I’m not saying the east is better than the west. I’m saying for the majority of the riders I saw at the West coast finals, the East cost finals would be like going from the Grand Prix at Vermont to the Saturday night Grand Prix at WEF.
And if you think I’m just crazy and have some vendetta against the west coast, look at the results from the past ten years from the big equitation finals. http://www.medalmaclay.com/eqresults/36.html At most, one or two of the riders in the top 10 are from the West Coast, and often those riders have come east to train with Missy or Andre or Stacia for the year that they ribboned.
I’m simply asking WHY this is. WHY is it so different on the West Coast, because they certainly have some of the best horses and trainers in the country. And maybe nobody cares as long as they’re getting paid lots of money for saying “great job” and/or winning blue ribbons.
Alexandria’s horse looked like a bit of a difficult ride! She looked like she was using a lot of leg.
LOVED the big mare Geffery Heslink was riding!
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I agree. It seems to me like there are a lot of horses going into that corner and backing off some like they’re being careful to keep their footing.[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure if it’s the footing. I rode in that ring the day after a positive downpour (there were puddles everywhere) and the footing was perfect, not slick at all. It’s barely misting there today, so I don’t think the ground is wet.
Love Lillie’s grey coat!
ETA: Oh, no! What a bummer for her. Still patted her horse as she walked out…
Lillie’s wearing a grey coat today - interesting!
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