http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/59891/empire-maker-sold-to-japanese-interests
I’m quite surprised by this. The Japanese are certainly grabbing up some very well bred horses, considering the mares they have purchased at this year’s Keeneland Nov Sale.
I really hate it when our stallions are sold to Japan. I wish they could all stay here where they belong…
xyz#%^&…nononono***
Oh for the love of jesus.
“Where they belong”… so tell me, where did Nasrullah, Bull Dog, Mahmoud, My Babu, Forli, Rock Sand, Sir Gallahad, Caro, Teddy, Princequillo, Royal Charger, Blenheim belong?
Not in the USA by your logic.
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Oh for the love of jesus.
“Where they belong”… so tell me, where did Nasrullah, Bull Dog, Mahmoud, My Babu, Forli, Rock Sand, Sir Gallahad, Caro, Teddy, Princequillo, Royal Charger, Blenheim belong?
Not in the USA by your logic.[/QUOTE]
Well, the above probably weren’t at risk of becoming sushi if they didn’t perform in the shed.
(I know. It’s a cheap shot. I’m just disappointed to see him go as well).
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Well, the above probably weren’t at risk of becoming sushi if they didn’t perform in the shed. [/QUOTE]
Well since money is the reason for this if the Jockey Club would establish a fund to meet the ‘sushi’ price with certain caviats I am sure and assume the cost of returning the horse to the States then I think the issue will be resolved.
They are not sushi’ng the horses for meanness but only because there is no other place for them to go.
It is an island and after three thousand years every inch of useable space has been used. They don’t have plains or prairies.
hmmmm …
Yes, because expensive stallions that are no longer the property of US citizens should be the primary concern of the Jockey Club. There aren’t hundreds of horses with no famous name who are still in the US that their owners and trainers can’t give away. If they were going to start a hard-luck retirement fund, I can think of hoses in much more urgent positions.
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Well, the above probably weren’t at risk of becoming sushi if they didn’t perform in the shed.
(I know. It’s a cheap shot. I’m just disappointed to see him go as well).[/QUOTE]
As opposed to Kentucky, where they break the stallion’s leg with a crowbar for the insurance money.
There is 0, that’s zero, chance that Empire Maker will end up on a dinner plate.
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As opposed to Kentucky, where they break the stallion’s leg with a crowbar for the insurance money.
There is 0, that’s zero, chance that Empire Maker will end up on a dinner plate.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t say 0 chance, I am sure no one thought Ferdinand would be slaughtered. 15 yrs from now when he is totally off the radar you never know
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As opposed to Kentucky, where they break the stallion’s leg with a crowbar for the insurance money.
Where did you hear that? My husband said something like that happend on one farm 15-20 years ago and it was a nightwatchman using a sledgehammer.It wasn’t for insurance money, he was just being an ass. If something like that was happening around here it would be all over the local news.
I believe she was referring to Alydar’s death; never proven, but said to be done with a crowbar for insurance.
What we seem to be missing is that while…Yes its now a Global economey…why do we seem to loose horses to Forgien countires?..because they are dreck and can’t produce a winner here…because our economey has collapsed…because we would rather sell our bloodstock to another country for a $$$…Our breeding sheds are standing empty…
Why ca’t we sell our yearlings and 2yr olds to these deep pockets.
Its not in our best interest to sell them their own stallions.
Once another country has established their own breeding empire our selling power will dimish.
Case in point, the Saudies now own their breeding empires and we aren’t going to see the bidding booms like in the past.
Let those countries come to us,let them buy our young stock, let them buy farms HERE and employ our people.
If he wasn’t productive as a stallion GELD him give him a new job if he can or put the horse down.
Sell the cow your gonna end up buying the milk…
The surprising part to me is that Empire Maker was really starting to heat up and you would not think his connections would need the money.
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The surprising part to me is that Empire Maker was really starting to heat up and you would not think his connections would need the money.[/QUOTE]
The irony being that his connections themselves are ASIAN, and are probably better known for their racing/breeding operations in Europe than the US.
It’s a global sport/business and has been for a very long time.
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Case in point, the Saudies now own their breeding empires and we aren’t going to see the bidding booms like in the past.[/QUOTE]
Empire Maker was owned AND bred and raced by Saudis.
So what0 is this “We” stuff you keep going on about and how
“we” shouldn’t sell “our” stallions to foreigners? Are you Saudi Arabian?
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Yes, because expensive stallions that are no longer the property of US citizens should be the primary concern of the Jockey Club. There aren’t hundreds of horses with no famous name who are still in the US that their owners and trainers can’t give away. If they were going to start a hard-luck retirement fund, I can think of hoses in much more urgent positions.[/QUOTE]
Empire Maker wasn’t owned by a US Citizen. He was owned by Juddmonte, which is owned by King (or is it Prince?) Abdullah
Ah well then, he wasn’t going to stay here anyway…and the we being USA bred.
This validated my orginal point being we sell to a global market. The Saudies raided our blodstock for years and now the Asian market is.
Our dollar is weak the economey sucks and racing is becoming a housing project for slots.
Excuse me… I am just sorry to see him go to Japan. I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that is mnie.
Keepthelegend… Good point about Ferdinand…
Our breeding sheds are not empty and there is no reason to geld a very successful stallion. I would guess that the buyers made an offer than cannot be refused.
Breeding farms like other businesses are liable for huge taxes and after 2011 they will increase. If Juddmonte sells right now, they get a windfall of income, taxed at a lower rate than the anticpated 2011 level. Prince Khalid Abdullah clearly is one of the very wealthy who are making business decisions based on the probability of increased capital gains and corporate and personal taxation. A Saudi prince may not be worried about eating mac and cheese if he doesn’t sell but the very rich don’t stay that way for long (esp. in racing) by making bad business choices.
The owners of farms do not owe the fans of the farm’s horses the right to have the horse in the US. All those mentioned above who were born overseas but brought to the US, Nasrullah, Bull Dog etc. came here because the business climate of their home nation made it advantageous for their owners to sell them.
Racehorses and stallions are not pets they are multimillion dollar businesses. There is a global market for horses and if the best offer comes from Japan or Korea or Turkey or Slovenia sellers usually take it. The sale of a horse is not always an indication that he is a failure.
I have no idea about this situation but in the wake of the Exceller and Ferdinand situations, many international sales (and many domestic) include rights of first refusal if the horse goes back on the market.
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