What is it you want to see? Admit I am clueless, Devon only has Nationally rated divisions but they are Open to any breed. Do your Hunters not fit into any of those divisions?
99% of other rated shows have a ton of unrated Open classes where any horse can get out to be seen, so do local shows. There’s plenty of opportunity for a horse that can do the job.
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I cannot help but add this; there are NO “OPEN” hunter classes at Devon. as in, NOT one. There are Working Hunters, Green Hunters (1st and 2nd year) Conformation Hunters, Local Hunters. OH! And Amateur Hunters, Junior Hunters…hunters in hand, and I may have missed some. But no, yes that’s right NO OPEN HUNTERS.:lol::lol::lol:
So, try for a clue when you insult someone. Because, yes, it matters. It shows that you, well, get it. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
I should really let this go, but…
I’m pretty sure most people understood my point, which is, if your hunter was so darn fantastic, show in the regular* hunter classes at Devon not the breed specific ones.
*To be perfectly clear, when I say “regular” it is a generic regular not referring to a specific class or division, just as with “open” I was referring to classes that were not restricted to a specific breed or exhibitor status, i.e. “open”.
If you have split hairs to prove your point, then I guess that proves someone’s point.
Will the saddlebred people please take their pissing contest out in the parking lot?!
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What is it you want to see? Admit I am clueless, Devon only has Nationally rated divisions but they are Open to any breed. Do your Hunters not fit into any of those divisions?
99% of other rated shows have a ton of unrated Open classes where any horse can get out to be seen, so do local shows. There’s plenty of opportunity for a horse that can do the job.[/QUOTE]
There are shows around the country- unrated, generally- that offer “open hunter” divisions. Devon isn’t one of them. While you are 100% on any breed of those being able to enter them, the divisions are designated by qualification of the horse (green, working) or rider (local, amateur, junior).
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I should really let this go, but…
I’m pretty sure most people understood my point, which is, if your hunter was so darn fantastic, show in the regular* hunter classes at Devon not the breed specific ones.
*To be perfectly clear, when I say “regular” it is a generic regular not referring to a specific class or division, just as with “open” I was referring to classes that were not restricted to a specific breed or exhibitor status, i.e. “open”.
If you have split hairs to prove your point, then I guess that proves someone’s point.[/QUOTE]
My ASB Hunter didn’t jump. So, that pretty much precluded her participating in those divisions in any meaningful way.
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http://www.t-g.com/story/2377169.html
I still say the big lick trainers will find a way to show…[/QUOTE]
It is possible to create a “big lick style” way of going by the use of breeding and training and riding style. Two of the methods are both expensive and time consuming (like in years in the case of breeding). Riding style is less so but puts a strain on the rider. The “mechanical” means, augmented by chemicals, are used because they are relatively cheap and quick and easy.
G.
It’s up to the rated show managers if they want to add all those non rated Open classes people usually use to warm up, show off a sale horse or get a Pro ride in. There’s no USE national or zone points for them but they are moneymakers that rarely offer any payout. So managers with available rings and officials stuff them in.
Devon doesn’t have the space or time. Neither do most of the Indoor shows, nor should they. But anybody can ride any breed in any of those Nationally rated divisions (outside of Pros in Amy classes) if the horse can do the job (and possibly has to qualify to show there).They are, in fact, Open. That’s what I’m not understanding…and should probably let go…
In inoveritas
that os false. Thrump signed an executive order to
pit all pending legislation on hold.
The final regs regs from APHIS never made it to publication so these were not part of what trump put on hold.
The fi
al regs were to be published on Jan 24th and APHIS pulled them from publication on the 23rd.
APHIS stopped the regulations, Trump did not.
Also, soring has been against the law since 1970. It is not legal to do it and those laws Are still on the books and are still to be enforced.
This regulation along with a myriad of others is on hold as it was not published at the time of the inauguration. Apparently, it is under review with the new administration. I’ve read this is standard practice for all unpublished regulations. I’ve also read that Mitch McConnell has received campaign donations from Big LIck insiders. So. . .this may not see the light of dayafterall. TBD.
yep. FERC published something in the 11:15 update yesterday; i was kind of surprised to see it, since last I heard, FERC still didn’t have a quorum. not surprisingly, it was yanked in the 4:15 update. (and let’s not even talk about FTC’s ex parte rules–they only have two commissioners now, who are barred from talking to each other w/o a third commissioner present. so… yeah. some thumb twiddling (and office cleaning, and editorial cleanup of non-substantive documents) going on in quite a few government agencies at the moment…)
i still fully expect most, if not all if these regs, including the HPA one, to pop back up in the next few weeks.
And I think that it is wonderful that your horses qualify for the major shows. But helping to fill the class is a far cry from winning in the performance divisions.
Thank you, but yes, my horses not only qualify for the major shows but they also have done quite well and have won at major shows too. I do pretty damn well for a “nickel trainer” as you called me.
A National Champion, two Reserve National Champions, and 6 times placing top 10 at worlds. All since 2011 and I have never brought more than 3 horses, and two of those years I didn’t go.
Oh, and one of those Reserve National Championships was over fences.
AGAIN- will you two get a freaking room? NO ONE ELSE CARES.
When she attempts to discredit my input on the discussion by calling me a “nickel trainer” who is only good for “filling classes” then I will stand up for myself.
Sadly she and others are against they have decided that they just don’t like it. Think about it…if people in the horse industry started proposing and throwing legislation out there to limit or eliminate entire segments of the horse industry “because they didn’t like it” then there would be no horse industry left.
Person A doesn’t like barrel racing
Person B doesn’t like TB racing
Person C doesn’t like Eventing
Person D doesn’t like carriage horses
Person E doesn’t like Dressage
Person F doesn’t like endurance
the horse industry meeds
to support each other. If you don’t like saddleseat then don’t ride it. If you don’t like barrel racing then don’t ride it…
as for the Walking horses, they were warned that if they didn’t clean up their act they would have huge repercussions. If their
pads and chains go away, so be it. They did it to themselves. But once we start throwing similar breeds “under the bus” simply because we don’t like it, then it
becomes
a
very
slippery
slope.
The endurance people are up in arms because horses are dying in Dubai. Horses with too many penalties during a race just freaking disappear.
The American Endurance Ride Conference has again led calls for the FEI to take stronger action. Little seems to have changed despite the suspension of the UAE federation in 2015 and two legal agreements between the UAE and FEI.
Chicken fighting is ilegal because it should be. Yet we can still show chickens, have chicken-sh** bingo, and we for darn sure eat us some chicken. And dog-fighting is illegal too, yet we use dogs in a million different ways.
I’m not suckered by the slope you are selling, sorry.
Stacks of pads, heavy shoes, and bands aren’t good for any horse of any breed.
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AGAIN- will you two get a freaking room? NO ONE ELSE CARES.[/QUOTE]
They don’t need a room. They need a set of dueling pistols.
G.
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Draftmare, those are examples of big shoeing in the ASB world. Those are being put out there as examples of ASB shoeing, but MY point is that they are the exception and not the rule.
Look up Mark of Charm, Central Perk, Kentucky Proud, WC A Rare Temper, The Daily Lottery, Real Action, Wild Carissima, With Style and Grace, Dr. Zhivago, CH Sprinkles, CH Jesse Cole, Paranormal…
This list of horses includes 3 gaited, 5 gaited, park and harness. These horses have a more modern hoof.
These horses are more representative of what is out there showing now. The two examples provided prior are the exception, not the rule, but THAT person has an agenda and is only going to show the worst examples.[/QUOTE]
Not to get too far off topic, but to my (admittedly novice) eye, the differences in how ASBs move versus TWHs tells a lot of the story.
The Saddlebreds I’ve watched in action move effortlessly. Yes, the gait is exaggerated, but it doesn’t look forced and a fit horse is capable of sustaining its gaits at pace. The Saddlebred canter LOOKS like a canter. The good horses have a “wheeeeee, this is FUN, look at me trotting so fast and pretty!” attitude.
Watching the heavily stacked (and possibly sored) Walkers wears ME out. There’s nothing natural about it. The horses have to stop for a breather after a lap or two of the ring; it’s not just the musculoskeletal system under strain - being forced to move like that is taxing on the cardiovascular system. The TWH canter that wins in the show ring is an absolutely grotesque deviation of a natural gait.
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Stacks of pads, heavy shoes, and bands aren’t good for any horse of any breed.[/QUOTE]
100% :yes:
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