Equestrian small businesses/minority-owned businesses?

[JoZ]

I think several people have mentioned that they don’t know or care to know the specifics of the places they are shopping. Two comments on that. First of all, a premise of capitalism is voting with your dollars. There are companies I will not support because of the policies of their ownership, so the corollary should be true as well, that I would seek to support companies that are doing something right. Of course I define “right” as something I agree with, that’s a given. Do you not have local farmer’s markets and craft fairs? Wouldn’t it feel great to support someone who is just starting out? Even if, or especially if, that person or company is subject to discrimination?

Second. – I don’t think anyone is suggesting that someone’s orientation, race or other attributes should be part of their website or business plan or advertising. That is exactly why the OP asked for recommendations. Personal knowledge. Great experiences. Because one might not know, and one might want to.

Lastly, to answer the person who just asked where someone said minority products were inferior? When someone asks for recommendations as the OP did, and one of the first responses asks why would you accept inferior products just to support a cause, it’s kind of easy to connect the dots.
OP, a friend of mine makes custom brow bands, White Horse Couture. They are incredible.

[ladyj79]

@JoZ

I think several people have mentioned that they don’t know or care to know the specifics of the places they are shopping. Two comments on that. First of all, a premise of capitalism is voting with your dollars. There are companies I will not support because of the policies of their ownership, so the corollary should be true as well, that I would seek to support companies that are doing something right. Of course I define “right” as something I agree with, that’s a given. Do you not have local farmer’s markets and craft fairs? Wouldn’t it feel great to support someone who is just starting out? Even if, or especially if, that person or company is subject to discrimination?

Second. – I don’t think anyone is suggesting that someone’s orientation, race or other attributes should be part of their website or business plan or advertising. That is exactly why the OP asked for recommendations. Personal knowledge. Great experiences. Because one might not know, and one might want to.

Lastly, to answer the person who just asked where someone said minority products were inferior? When someone asks for recommendations as the OP did, and one of the first responses asks why would you accept inferior products just to support a cause, it’s kind of easy to connect the dots.
OP, a friend of mine makes custom brow bands, White Horse Couture. They are incredible.

So no, you cant quote the post that says minorities make inferior products? Is that because it doesn’t exist?

[JoZ]

@Guilherme

Should we buy inferior products if they sold by people with whom we have philosophical agreements even if they are not the best and most suitable to the horse’s needs? Somehow I don’t think that’s a very good program for the horse and maybe not for the human.
G.

OK, you who are so obsessed with winning this point, you win. I am sure there is another way to take the above paragraph that does not imply that the product will be inferior. And I’m sure you will point it out to me. But even if it does not imply what I, and others, inferred, it does imply that the OP is going to overlook quality and her horse’s well-being in order to pursue an agenda. And that was totally fabricated.

[ladyj79]

I really appreciate that you acknowledged you couldn’t provide the quote because no one said that minorities make inferior product. I know it’s not an easy thing to do to admit a mistake.

[Somantu]

@ladyj79

I really appreciate that you acknowledged you couldn’t provide the quote because no one said that minorities make inferior product. I know it’s not an easy thing to do to admit a mistake.

So condescending. SMH.

[ladyj79]

@Somantu

So condescending. SMH.

I’m sorry you feel that way.

[BigMama1]

@rollingabout

You talking to me? What the OP said is racist. There is such a thing as being racist to white people as you are judging them by their skin color. As G said, “the door swings both ways.”

No. It’s not racist at all, no matter how much some of you seem to want it to be.

The OP said that given the choice, she would prefer to support minority / LGTBQ-owned businesses. Nowhere did she say she REFUSED to support white / straight-owned businesses. She is demonstrating a preference, not discriminating.

The poster who said he / she REFUSED to patronize gay-owned businesses because somehow that makes him / her condone their sexual orientation…THAT is discrimination.

[JoZ]

@ladyj79

I’m sorry you feel that way.

Funny, the same keen reading abilities that caused me to make a cognitive leap about inferior products allows me to read – and roll my eyes at — your mock sincerity. AND your condescension. Apparently that passes for engaging in a discussion. I noticed that you have no comment on the things that WERE stated so clearly that nit-pickers can’t deny their presence.

[ladyj79]

@JoZ

I noticed that you have no comment on the things that WERE stated so clearly that nit-pickers can’t deny their presence.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you’re saying here; could you please clarify?

I thought I was being kind when I said mistake and not strawman and ad hominem.

[JoZ]

There was a list of comments. You cherry-picked the one that wasn’t stated explicitly. You either know this, and are being deliberately obstructive, or you don’t, in which case I see no reason to continue. I’m done anyway, what’s that playing chess with a pigeon saying? I see nothing coming of this.

[Denali6298]

Y’all are getting wrapped around the axel. G, as he does along with other posters, took the question to the extreme. He did not say minorities make inferior products. It was a valid question since Kerrits, as an example, is owned by women and many times are the breech of choice for summer riding for members of this forum.

@Mixibabe, well just ignore her. When does she ever contribute something useful? She’s hypocrisy at its finest.

@Palm Beach responded in the usual negative way. Yes we get it asshats are everywhere. I don’t doubt what she said is true but it contributed nothing to the ops post.

@clanter, well that’s his opinion. Maybe because I faced real life encounters with or about my parents the words of an internet stranger don’t offend me. He’s allowed his opinion. They ONLY way people like him may change their mind is if they have a child that is gay. So whatever.

The op lost credibility with me when she brought up the financial background of people. That screams “chip on shoulder.” She also lost credibility with me because she clearly does not know who created the big names.

All that being said, y’all cherry pick so why jump on another poster for asking a question you view as cherry picking.

Calm down people. It really isn’t worth the energy. I’m telling you this as someone who has been politically involved in equal rights for 20 years. You will wear yourself out if you don’t pick your battles.

[Ladylexie]

I have no idea and don’t care…good luck.

[Palm_Beach]

@enjoytheride

Or the posters who say that women business owners are a figure head and don’t actually do any of the work.

You are misquoting.

Post 18 - " You would not believe how many women owned businesses (51% ownership or more) have the woman owner absentee."

How about the wife who stayed home with the kids, but was on the husband’s company payroll and getting a weekly check so she would be eligible for social security? She stopped by the office once a week and emptied the trashcans. Nice work if you can get it.

The point that I went on to make is, don’t assume that because a woman or other minority is named as the owner, that the person is actively involved in the business. Look into it, if it’s that important to your decision to shop there.

[Palm_Beach]

@Denali6298

@Palm Beach responded in the usual negative way. Yes we get it asshats are everywhere. I don’t doubt what she said is true but it contributed nothing to the ops post.

Apologies, didn’t realize that we are only allowed to post facts that are positive. And your post contributes to the OP’s post…how?

[Palm_Beach]

[QUOTE=BigMama1;n10060819]

The OP said that given the choice, she would prefer to support minority / LGTBQ-owned businesses. Nowhere did she say she REFUSED to support white / straight-owned businesses. She is demonstrating a preference, not discriminating.

[QUOTE]

She is discriminating, because she then went on to say that she actually doesn’t KNOW who owns the companies she named. She just assumed they were straight white men from a privileged (had to check the spelling AGAIN) background.

[My_Two_Cents]

I believe SmartPak was started by a women in a garage(?). I certainly can’t fault her for growing her business. There are business’s that I don’t buy from based on the things they support (or don’t support) or their use of fear marketing tactics. All things being equal I will usually buy from small business’s but I really don’t care what the owners look like, their religion, or sexual preference. I am going to spend my money, (what little there is of it, which makes it more important to me), in the places that appreciate my business. I will not buy from someone that is screaming “buy from me because I am a minority, a women, etc”. I will buy from those that don’t consider themselves any different or better than anyone else.

[BigMama1]

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;n10061252]

[QUOTE=BigMama1;n10060819]

The OP said that given the choice, she would prefer to support minority / LGTBQ-owned businesses. Nowhere did she say she REFUSED to support white / straight-owned businesses. She is demonstrating a preference, not discriminating.

She is discriminating, because she then went on to say that she actually doesn’t KNOW who owns the companies she named. She just assumed they were straight white men from a privileged (had to check the spelling AGAIN) background.

Which is precisely why she posted here, looking for information / recommendations about who owns those businesses.

Again, nothing to do with discrimination. Perhaps that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

[Jealoushe]

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@BigMama1

Again, nothing to do with discrimination. Perhaps that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Saying you don’t want to support business by straight white people is discrimination.

“In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong rather than on individual attributes.”

From WIKI

OP fits the description to a tee here, so let’s call like it truly is.

[rollingabout]

@BigMama1

No. It’s not racist at all, no matter how much some of you seem to want it to be.

The OP said that given the choice, she would prefer to support minority / LGTBQ-owned businesses. Nowhere did she say she REFUSED to support white / straight-owned businesses. She is demonstrating a preference, not discriminating.

The poster who said he / she REFUSED to patronize gay-owned businesses because somehow that makes him / her condone their sexual orientation…THAT is discrimination.

It’s racist. Go reread what she said on the first post. You can be racist against white people. She said she FEELS that the majority tack store companies are (white, conservative , Cis Gender, middle class/rich). Feels doesn’t equal reals.

[trubandloki]

@enjoytheride

One person said that women owned companies are just a front because the women don’t do the actual work.

I am not going to go digging back to find the original comment you are referring to so I can get the specifics of it.
I will say that this does happen.
This is not me saying that ALL women owned businesses are fronts.
Not even close.
It is me simply saying that it is factual that some businesses that are waving the ‘woman owned business’ flag to get work limited to that group are just fronts where the woman who owns it is just a figure head.

There are lots of great businesses out there that are owned by hard working, dedicated women. That does not make the above not a fact though.