Equestrian small businesses/minority-owned businesses?

[Palm_Beach]

@trubandloki

I am not going to go digging back to find the original comment you are referring to so I can get the specifics of it.
I will say that this does happen.
This is not me saying that ALL women owned businesses are fronts.
Not even close.
It is me simply saying that it is factual that some businesses that are waving the ‘woman owned business’ flag to get work limited to that group are just fronts where the woman who owns it is just a figure head.

There are lots of great businesses out there that are owned by hard working, dedicated women. That does not make the above not a fact though.

enjoytheride was talking about my post 18, and misparaphrased what I wrote. Apparently “you would not believe the number” means ALL in some minds.

[Palm_Beach]

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@BigMama1

The OP said that given the choice, she would prefer to support minority / LGTBQ-owned businesses. Nowhere did she say she REFUSED to support white / straight-owned businesses. She is demonstrating a preference, not discriminating.

Which is precisely why she posted here, looking for information / recommendations about who owns those businesses.

Again, nothing to do with discrimination. Perhaps that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

What would your reaction be if the OP would prefer to support white/straight owned businesses? Would you still call that “demonstrating a preference?”

[rollingabout]

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@Palm Beach

What would your reaction be if the OP would prefer to support white/straight owned businesses? Would you still call that “demonstrating a preference?”

If that were the case, the thread would’ve been locked and deleted like the Kermit Gosnell thread.

[Gestalt]

Ah the same ole same ole. People saying “white lives matter” and thinking they are saying the same thing as “black lives matter”. :rolleyes:

[rollingabout]

@Gestalt

Ah the same ole same ole. People saying “white lives matter” and thinking they are saying the same thing as “black lives matter”. :rolleyes:

BLM is a group funded by George Soros. When Hawk Newsome (the leader for BLM chapter in NY) went to our DC rally, we gave him a voice on the stage to speak. The day after, BLM disavowed him. He told us that he was trying to build bridges and the elites (aka, George Soros) didn’t like that.

White Lives do matter, as ALL lives and it’s ok to be white.

[samwoww7]

Welp. This thread has turned into a flustercuck.

OP - I think your best bet is small independent tack stores. If you want more information SITS is a good place to start (https://www.facebook.com/pg/tackstores/about/?ref=page_internal)

I also beg of you to never purchase from Tailored Sportsman again. The woman who owns the company is an absolute pill to deal with and preys on small tack shops. She is the worst elitist I’ve had the displeasure of working with.

[Denali6298]

@Palm Beach

Apologies, didn’t realize that we are only allowed to post facts that are positive. And your post contributes to the OP’s post…how?

i didn’t mean that the way you took it my apologies. I just meant for people getting up in arms over what you said that you typically post as devils advocate, as do I. So I do not understand why people are taking what you said to such an extreme or surprised by what you pointed out.

[Gestalt]

@rollingabout

BLM is a group funded by George Soros. When Hawk Newsome (the leader for BLM chapter in NY) went to our DC rally, we gave him a voice on the stage to speak. The day after, BLM disavowed him. He told us that he was trying to build bridges and the elites (aka, George Soros) didn’t like that.

White Lives do matter, as ALL lives and it’s ok to be white.

Well as soon as I see the name George Soros bandied about, I know from whence you came.

[BigMama1]

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@Palm Beach

Saying you don’t want to support business by straight white people is discrimination.

“In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong rather than on individual attributes.”

From WIKI

OP fits the description to a tee here, so let’s call like it truly is.

Please refer to post #63 so I don’t have to repeat myself. She didn’t say she WOULDN’T support white / straight businesses. That’s simply the inference some chose to make in order to feel all outraged and morally superior.

[BigMama1]

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@Palm Beach

What would your reaction be if the OP would prefer to support white/straight owned businesses? Would you still call that “demonstrating a preference?”

Sure. Not a preference I would personally exercise myself, but still a preference, and still her right, unless she was REFUSING to support minority-owned businesses. That would be discrimination.

[Jealoushe]

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@BigMama1

Please refer to post #63 so I don’t have to repeat myself. She didn’t say she WOULDN’T support white / straight businesses. That’s simply the inference some chose to make in order to feel all outraged and morally superior.

Is that inference about me that you have made then…to feel the same?

No need to argue over semantics, the writing was on the wall.

[Jealoushe]

This has nothing to do with BLM smh. A poster is asking for ways to avoid buying from straight, white people (specifically men).

Like myself and others have pointed out, if someone were to request the same but instead enter whichever minority as the one to avoid, this thread would be closed so quick.

It’s discrimination.

[JoZ]

Customers can frequent businesses for whatever reason they choose. So while it may be discriminatory to avoid minority owned businesses, it’s their prerogative — and their loss. Those who serve the public cannot do the same.

I think discrimination is a difficult word, not even bringing in the fact that it also has a positive meaning i.e. “discriminating tastes”. There are types of discrimination which are illegal, others that are legal but questionable in terms of decency and morals, and others that are benign. Isn’t “buy American” discrimination? How about “buy local”? Or businesses owned by veterans? I think we should avoid getting hung up on the word.

[Fred]

@IrishBirdcatcher

Unfortunately I don’t think any of the purchases that I normally make are by suppliers that meet your criteria so I can’t offer recommendations… However since the other posts haven’t named many businesses in answer to your original question, I thought I would put up a list of some interesting things that have passed my view on the net lately from businesses owned by women or craftswomen. Perhaps if anyone else has made purchases from them, they can chime in with reviews either positive or negative. The quality on some of the western gear does not look inferior; rather it looks sadly out of my budget.

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Western custom saddle maker and past recipient of a TCAA Scholarship, Anna Sever Saddlery: https://www.facebook.com/152465014866490/photos/a.152468004866191.30572.152465014866490/152475181532140/?type=3&theater

Custom rawhide leatherwork and past recipient of a TCAA Scholarship, JLN Leatherwork:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/JLN-Custom-Leatherwork-190357747768676/photos/?ref=page_internal

custom silver work, saddle plates, spurs, and bits: https://www.raymondsilverco.com/gallery/

Biothane Tack, Taylored Tack: http://www.tayloredtack.com/About_Us.htm

Horse Quencher: https://horsequencher.com/about-us/

riding tights, Crazy Legs Tights: https://www.instagram.com/crazylegstights/

custom chaps & half chaps, Turning Point Leather: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Turning-Point-Leather-144581495580585/posts/?ref=page_internal

fancy mohair cinches, girths, and breastplates, wildflower ranch: https://www.facebook.com/pg/mohaircustomcinches/photos/?ref=page_internal

custom western saddle blankets: http://www.lindahaydensaddleblankets.com/gallery.html

fine art prints and photography of champion racehorses, Bronwen Healy: http://bronwenhealy.com.au/winx-street-cry-vegas-showgirl/20171015-winx-altona-beach

helmet brims, Suntec: https://suntechats.com/about/

Thank you for sharing those links, rather than criticism and pontificating from some, I think that this is what the OP is looking for:actual links to these smaller businesses.

Turning Point Leather makes some of the most beautiful chaps ever, and I have been promising myself for YEARS if I could lose 20 lbs I would reward myself with a pair.

[Fred]

A privately-owned, independent company, started by a woman in her basement and now owned by another woman Katrina Coldren (and COTH member), based in NJ and employing local women is ‘The Clothes Horse’. Beautiful blankets, beautifully made.

http://theclotheshorse.com/

Already mentioned was Turning Point Leather - another independent woman-owned company, making the most exquisite chaps,belts, purses etc.
I have promised myself for years that if I would just lose 20lbs I would reward myself with a pair of her incredible chaps.
Still hasn’t happened…

Nothing “inferior” about either of those products I will point out.

My understanding of the OP was to compile a list of ‘out of the box’ equine products.
I did not see ANYTHING “discriminatory” about that.

[Palm_Beach]

See what happens?

[Bluey]

Spam reported.

[soloudinhere]

@Fred

My understanding of the OP was to compile a list of ‘out of the box’ equine products.
I did not see ANYTHING “discriminatory” about that.

There’s nothing unique about any of these products, so I’m not sure how they’re “out of the box.”

That being said, no, the OP took it further and wanted nothing from anyone of “privilege.” I imagine white women also count in that regard.

[S1969]

@enjoytheride

I think that sometimes we should get riled up. Look at what the question did to some of our posters.

One person said that women owned companies are just a front because the women don’t do the actual work.

Another said products from minorities are inferior

Someone else said that they refuse to purchase from LGBT people unless they stay in the closet

A poster argued against purchasing American Owned when it had to do with minorities, but in other areas is an American Owned advocate.

How do we reward people for pulling themselves up by their bootstraps if we don’t want to know that they did?

Instead of addressing the OP with reasons why the companies she listed were good companies or giving her the names of some small equestrian businesses posters went straight into racist town. Plenty are busy screaming about racism against white people but have never said a word about racism against minorities. I think people should spend their money at business they believe in. I don’t agree with her feelings about Smartpak and all, or the all equine businesses are owned by rich privileged folks but I can find a way to say that without saying I don’t buy from black people.

Wow, I haven’t made it to the end of this fascinating thread yet but this is my take-away as well. I was not shocked by the original post but quite shocked by the defensive and angry responses.

Wow.

[S1969]

@Jealoushe

This has nothing to do with BLM smh. A poster is asking for ways to avoid buying from straight, white people (specifically men).

Like myself and others have pointed out, if someone were to request the same but instead enter whichever minority as the one to avoid, this thread would be closed so quick.

It’s discrimination.

See, I read it as “the poster would like to support minority, LGBTQ or women-owned businesses.”

Why is it bad to support women-owned businesses, if you are a woman?
Why would it be bad to support minority-owned businesses, if you are a minority?

Etc.

You see this as “avoiding buying from straight white men.” I guess we see what we want to see.

Is there any acceptable way of wanting to support a women/minority/LGBTQ owned business? Or are all of them unacceptable and simply “reverse discrimination?”

Do we need to make all ownership information secret so as not to prey upon our own preferences or even, our own prejudices?