I know that traits are also determined by the mare, but does Escudo I throw any consistent traits, good or bad?
If you have an Escudo I, what are they like? Sensitive or unflappable, cuddly or more aloof? Are they suitable for an amateur or more of a professional ride?
I’ve found out that many of Scott Stewarts top hunters are by Escudo I, and they’re all extremely nice but he’s obviously an exceptional rider, so I’m wondering what they’d be like as an amateur mount.
authentic pony, here is a recent response I sent to a poster inquiring about Escudo’s sire, Espris. You might find something helpful, here, and I’m sure others will weigh in (I hope! :))
OP, I will try to sent you a few links that I have been tracking down about the Escudos (I guess the COTH now gets rid of old threads, which makes sense–but is frustrating, since I started one a year ago about Escudo I and it had a lot of responses, am trying to find it on Google now!)
I have personally done a lot of research on them because I was interested in breeding my mare (including posting here and reading posts from breeders), and am following your thread with interest, hoping more people would weigh in on this. From what I can gather, Esprit (who lived to the ripe old age of 30-something , and just died a couple of months ago), was a bit of a pistol. His sons have a reputation for siring pretty level-headed horses (again, from anecdotes and my research), who are kind, smart, brave, sensitive, curious, correct, have nice toplines, are very good jumpers, and plenty of scope. Most of the foals are “eye-candy”. E2 tends to throw “pocket ponies”–when you watch his video, you will see why , and possibly prettier heads (this is per E2’s owner, Edgar), his babies tend to have “pony heads”, with very pretty faces. They are both pretty flat kneed movers, and don’t have that “high round action” that many dressage folks want, though E1 seems to have a bit more of an uphill canter that E2 (just from what I’ve seen, the video on them is limited.) They are not “deadheads”, and I don’t think they throw deadheads, which may or may not make their offspring “suitable” for the hunter ring, though they both have a number of offspring who are doing the hunters, successfully. (They throw very tidy, athletic jumpers, with excellent knees and good “pop” off the ground, not drapey and no rabbit jumpers, again, this is based on what I’ve seen and heard.) Also, soft backs and rideable gaits, NOT huge extravagant gaits, but pretty correct. Their walks are not exceptional, but again–breeding for hunters, this is not much of an issue. E1’s offspring might be a little fussy in the mouth? (again, this is anecdotal )
Neither of them are very big, and I don’t think they tend to throw big–but there are of course exceptions, and it depends on the mare. (E1 is 16.1, E2 is 16.0.) What are you looking for, specifically? I would think it’s pretty tough to find Esprit semen at this point, and both of his sons have excellent semen, fresh and frozen (my 13 year old maiden mare was just checked in foal to E2, second try with fresh cooled, he is in CA. According to the vets, his swimmers were “as good as it gets”, E1 is only available frozen, but his semen is apparently also excellent. My own mare is also 15.3, I am hoping to get something between 15.2 and 16.0, for a maiden, that’s probably a good bet.)
Here is one thread with more info:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=200794
Another (started by me, you will have to read through all the responses):
http://boardreader.com/thread/Speak_...X5qpc.html?o=0
Finally, E2 doing his thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0rJht37CJ4
Good luck, I hope this gives you more info! As usual, I would LOVE it if more posters with Escudo offspring weigh in, preferably with photos!
I have a 2 1/2 y.o. Escudo I filly. She is out of a Diamont/Prinz Gaylord mare.
She is just under 16.2 now and looks to have more growing to do.
She is friendly, intelligent and honest. She showed on the line as a yearling and was a total pro. She has not been backed yet but she has had quite a bit of long lining/ground driving and she is willing and smart.
A video of her free jumping
http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/glenhillfarm/?action=view¤t=EleganceJuly21.mp4
photos
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/glenhillfarm/Elegance120.jpg
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/glenhillfarm/Elegance037.jpg
I have only had one, and would love to have another. They are not the biggest horses in the world, but they seem to have plenty of step and stunning jumps. Great temperaments, too.
Thanks Dr. Doolitte, that was a great summary of both Escudo sires! E1 is very high up in the top hunter sires list but he isnt discussed nearly as much as a lot of the more ‘trendy’ sires seem to be, so I would really love to find out more about him and his offspring more specifically. I am told they’re all a bit “quirky” and am wondering if this is a myth or not.
Genevieve, I absolutely love her and visit her often on your website. She’s beautiful!
My Escudo II
He turned 3 the end of June. I’m just starting to back him. He’s easy as long as you’re doing things HE wants to do…but he does have a temper if you put him in a place he doesn’t like. Having said that his mama has QUITE the temper so it could have come from her.
Confirmation shot at 3 years old:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-C5b1UnFhp18/Tgi0gY2bnmI/AAAAAAAALFA/wX1HWxgQ-lw/s800/photo.JPG
Confirmation shot at 2 years old:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uMGf1Xt9o0A/TmecSqdDqZI/AAAAAAAAMFE/FU35YED5B58/Cory2.jpg
Free Jumping at 2 and a half:
http://www.vimeo.com/20313331
As a foal:
http://www.vimeo.com/24297329
Robin Stewart (www.woodsendfarm.com) has one - Edison.
http://www.woodsendfarm.com/Edison.html
He was the sire of the GORGEOUS Emerald Coast that won just about every thing available at the Warrenton Horse Show. Picture of Emerald Coast here - 
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Thanks Dr. Doolitte, that was a great summary of both Escudo sires! E1 is very high up in the top hunter sires list but he isnt discussed nearly as much as a lot of the more ‘trendy’ sires seem to be, so I would really love to find out more about him and his offspring more specifically. I am told they’re all a bit “quirky” and am wondering if this is a myth or not.
Genevieve, I absolutely love her and visit her often on your website. She’s beautiful![/QUOTE]
Most welcome, I did try to do as much research as possible! I am curious as to “quirky how”, since there have been some references to this, but overall the consensus on the offspring seems “smart, sensitive, brave and trainable.”
There are always exceptions, of course–and the mare factors in–but these two have a lot of get on the ground, so there are bound to be a few that “buck the trend.”
Other posters, these horses are gorgeous! WOW! Cassy’s mom, I see that your guy is a redhead :p, so maybe that has a little something to do with it…(My mare is also a redhead, but is as sweet as pie to handle and has a lovely temperament, but is an Alpha Bitch in the field and is a spook under saddle–though she has a good solid competition record. I’m hoping to get a nice dark foal with her good qualities and a bit more rideability. I’ll probably get a chestnut filly :lol:, but at this point, would be happy to get ANYTHING that’s healthy! She goes in for her 30 day re-check tomorrow.)
My boy is DEFINATELY a red-head 
His thing is being kicky when he’s not happy…which I’ll take over bucking or bolting! He even kicked the vet when he was still in the womb! The vet said he’d NEVER had that happen before!
Having said all that I rode him yesterday in our outdoor ring for the first time. Just at the walk but he was SO brave and his back was so very soft and swingy…such a great feeling!
Love my E II filly! She’s definitely opinionated, but very easy and learns fast.
She loves to be with people, very indepenent & brave. LOVES to jump! I keep hoping she’ll be my dressage horse, but her jumps for fun, so that may be what she ultimately does.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1096467809939.2015506.1173902979&type=1
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Love my E II filly! She’s definitely opinionated, but very easy and learns fast.
She loves to be with people, very indepenent & brave. LOVES to jump! I keep hoping she’ll be my dressage horse, but her jumps for fun, so that may be what she ultimately does.
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This sounds JUST like my mare. So I guess I will get a clone of her, but (hopefully) with some additional rideability and less spookiness? Speaking of “jumping for fun”, there was a thread not long ago about an Escudo II filly who kept jumping out of her pasture, even when the poster kept making the fences higher and higher. :uhoh: And then someone else weighed in saying their Escudo II offspring did that too…Hoo, boy. Just a little warning for you. :winkgrin: Alas, your FB page said “unavailable.” Any other way to get access to your pix?
Cassy’s mom, this must be very exciting, those first few rides on your homebred baby! He sounds very sensible. As for the kicking, I hope that tendency isn’t from the E side :eek: (My mare is not a kicker, but I guess you never know.) We would love to see more pics of your lovely boy.
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This sounds JUST like my mare. So I guess I will get a clone of her, but (hopefully) with some additional rideability and less spookiness? Speaking of “jumping for fun”, there was a thread not long ago about an Escudo II filly who kept jumping out of her pasture, even when the poster kept making the fences higher and higher. :uhoh: And then someone else weighed in saying their Escudo II offspring did that too…Hoo, boy. Just a little warning for you. :winkgrin: Alas, your FB page said “unavailable.” Any other way to get access to your pix?
Cassy’s mom, this must be very exciting, those first few rides on your homebred baby! He sounds very sensible. As for the kicking, I hope that tendency isn’t from the E side :eek: (My mare is not a kicker, but I guess you never know.) We would love to see more pics of your lovely boy.[/QUOTE]
Funny how they all seem to have the same personality traits! I’m running out of turnouts for my filly! Need higher fences.
Maybe Facebook is having problems? I just clicked on the link and it went right to the album… its open for all to see, I have a public facebook page.
Here’s a link to photobucket - maybe this will work better?
http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/tamcam/Excepchanel/
I have an Escudo I filly out of a TB mare. Her picture is in my profile. She is very correct and VERY athletic. She is brave and confident. When she was first born she was a bit shy but got over that fast. She is now often the first to walk up to a stranger coming into the field.
Hard to say what she will be like under saddle but given how she is on the ground…I’m expecting her to have a bit of an opinion (her dam is very opinionated) but she is very smart and seems to want to please so I think she will be fun. But the smart ones are not for everyone…they are however the type of ride I enjoy.
stripes, yup, that worked–thanks!
I remember your filly from pix on earlier threads on the “E boys”, she has certainly grown up since then–wow! She is now a lovely young horse, and I’m betting that you can’t wait until she is old enough to back
bfne, it sounds like yours is shaping up to be “the perfect prototype event horse”, just the wrong color 
Might you have some recent pix of this beauteous creature? (I REFUSE to believe that she is going, would go or COULD go through an ugly stage, I simply won’t hear it…)
Dr.D - Thank you! I love my girl and you’re right I’m having a hard time waiting until she’s 3 to ride her. She much more sensible than her dam, who is my riding horse. I’m really hoping she’ll enjoy dressage because I’m not sure I want jump anymore - this getting old thing kinda gets in the way. I don’t bounce like I used to!
These E I & E II kids are beautiful athletes! I love seeing all of them =)
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Dr.D - Thank you! I love my girl and you’re right I’m having a hard time waiting until she’s 3 to ride her. She much more sensible than her dam, who is my riding horse. I’m really hoping she’ll enjoy dressage because I’m not sure I want jump anymore - this getting old thing kinda gets in the way. I don’t bounce like I used to!
These E I & E II kids are beautiful athletes! I love seeing all of them =)[/QUOTE]
I’m sure that your girl will find dressage easy, but from what I have gathered about these " E kids", they find jumping even easier; you might want to re-think “depriving her of the opportunity” :winkgrin:
Yeah, getting old sucks the big one. I am in my mid-fifties, and though I was eventing at Prelim only a year ago this past July, I have become rusty, IMO–so don’t want to jump my student’s horses, only my own, who I started O/F, and who I am very comfortable jumping (and one student’s horse whom I trained, so who is a “known quantity” O/F.) Too much uncertainty! Since my own mare is pretty much retired (IF she stays pregnant, 30 day check has been moved to tomorrow due to local flooding), I have no legitimate reason to work over fences unless I have a student’s project horse to work with; and I am trying to avoid doing this unless the horse is a good jumper and NOT a loon! I would start back up with it for her baby, though. (She always found jumping wicked easy, and I suspect her E foal would too ;)) Maybe you could have someone else start your filly O/F, and then you could persuade yourself to get back into it, just at a baby level? I suspect your mare would have such fun with it (and find it so effortless) that this would make it all worthwhile.
Please keep us posted! (And you can always PM me, I love hearing about other poster’s E babies.)
Don’t have any E I’s, but I have three E II’s! All are very people oriented, and very cued into their handlers. The three year old is being started under saddle, and is willing, but ready to “test” any question you send his way. He is a powerful mover, but tends towards the lazy side, like his dam. The two year old is such a nice boy…nice mover, fantastic temperament, willing, and ready to please. Both boys are really nice types, with very marketable hunter movement. This year’s filly is, again, super temperament, nice type…better build and neck set than Mom. Nice relaxed mover, even when tail is doubled up over her back. We think she will be a total hunter Diva!
Can’t say enough nice thingsb about all three offspring I have out of E II. Love their type, attitude, and movement. One thing…all three will be bigger than both parents. Mom is 15.3 & 3/4 H. 3 year old is already close to 16.2, and two year old will definitely be bigger. Filly this year was a big newborn…I think she’ll be a good size,too. Espri can produce big and small.
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Don’t have any E I’s, but I have three E II’s! All are very people oriented, and very cued into their handlers. The three year old is being started under saddle, and is willing, but ready to “test” any question you send his way. He is a powerful mover, but tends towards the lazy side, like his dam. The two year old is such a nice boy…nice mover, fantastic temperament, willing, and ready to please. Both boys are really nice types, with very marketable hunter movement. This year’s filly is, again, super temperament, nice type…better build and neck set than Mom. Nice relaxed mover, even when tail is doubled up over her back. We think she will be a total hunter Diva!
Can’t say enough nice thingsb about all three offspring I have out of E II. Love their type, attitude, and movement. One thing…all three will be bigger than both parents. Mom is 15.3 & 3/4 H. 3 year old is already close to 16.2, and two year old will definitely be bigger. Filly this year was a big newborn…I think she’ll be a good size,too. Espri can produce big and small.[/QUOTE]
All good stuff to hear except for the size thing! :lol: I would love something around 16.0, my mare is 15.3 (and a maiden), so I was hoping that the foal would not be much bigger than that…I’m curious as to how your three year old “tests”, specifically? I like to try to prepare myself (for anything), and it’s great (and SO helpful) to get such specific input from people with E offspring who they are handling and training. Edgar describes E II as a total pocket pony, and it seems that his get inherit this quality (along with brains and curiosity), but the various nuances of heritable tendencies (good and bad!) are fascinating to hear about.
Thanks for the detailed descriptions of your E offspring, this is just what we are looking for!
I have an Escudo 1 coming out of my Zeoliet mare next spring. I usually breed Dutch Dressage horses, and don’t know the first thing about Hanovarian Hunter/Jumpers! Hope that you can all help me place him in the right hands when the time comes.
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All good stuff to hear except for the size thing! :lol: I would love something around 16.0, my mare is 15.3 (and a maiden), so I was hoping that the foal would not be much bigger than that…I’m curious as to how your three year old “tests”, specifically? I like to try to prepare myself (for anything), and it’s great (and SO helpful) to get such specific input from people with E offspring who they are handling and training. Edgar describes E II as a total pocket pony, and it seems that his get inherit this quality (along with brains and curiosity), but the various nuances of heritable tendencies (good and bad!) are fascinating to hear about.
Thanks for the detailed descriptions of your E offspring, this is just what we are looking for! :)[/QUOTE]
My three year old just asks if you “really want him to do that?, well, okay, but I think it’s kind of silly…move off your leg? Oh, okay, but why?” He is not really naughty. The other two are total peaches, and are always up for whatever you want to do I don’t think with a maiden that you would worry too much about getting an odd big baby. My mare just tends to throw big. I am retiring her this year, because each year they seem to get bigger. She is going back to work, now at 16 Y.O. I really, really like the intellegence and sweet disposition of all of my EII kids!
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