EVANGELINE DOWNS HORSES - DIRECT TO KILL BUYER

[luvmytbs]

From Maggi Moss:

I TRULY need help in Louisiana, I believe racehorses that raced at Delta, now evangeline are going straight to kill buyer from track, courtesy of a pony person there, I need folks to contact the La racing Commission, THe LHBPA, AND THE stewards I truly need this help from others to contact the appropriate people, if you have information private message me ; If anyone wants the information I have to take to the proper authorities email me at mmoss98202@aol.com

https://www.facebook.com/maggi.moss.5?fref=ts

Evangeline Downs, you are a perfect example why more and more people are turning against the racing industry.

Here is a link to the horses in question, JC names with each picture.

https://www.facebook.com/gail.vacca.7/media_set?set=a.10205640089775243.1073741830.1043925788&type=1&pnref=story

[spotted_draft_x_fill]

Ok how is it the racetracks fault? They don’t own the horses or can dictate where the horses can go. Besides she doesn’t know for sure if they did ship to the auction from the track to be sold to kill buyers. :rolleyes:

[luvmytbs]

[QUOTE=spotted draft x filly;8143090]
Ok how is it the racetracks fault? They don’t own the horses or can dictate where the horses can go. Besides she doesn’t know for sure if they did ship to the auction from the track to be sold to kill buyers. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

They are in a kill buyer’s pen, to be shipped to slaughter tomorrow. They are not at an auction.

Evangeline does NOT have an anti slaughter policy like most other tracks.
If they did, they could hold the owners/trainers and that pony person responsible for their actions.

Do you really believe that these type of scenarios are helping to bring back racing fans when the industry is already suffering from small fields, low attendance and purses that don’t even pay for the expenses of entering a horse?

[findeight]

The only way to bring Racing back to what it was is to ban Casino, Racino and online gambling like it was back when. People came to the track to gamble, now they don’t have to, declining attendance is about local access to gambling, not horse welfare. Which is better today then it was back when the stands were full.

Feel sorry for these horses but it’s not the tracks fault, contacting stewards will yield nothing since there is no infraction and that State has not been known to go to any lengths to enforce animal welfare laws even if they had the staff to do so. They have enough trouble with human law enforcement challenges.

Perhaps somebody can go buy them, otherwise there are better battles to pick.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=spotted draft x filly;8143090]
Ok how is it the racetracks fault? They don’t own the horses or can dictate where the horses can go. Besides she doesn’t know for sure if they did ship to the auction from the track to be sold to kill buyers. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

The track isn’t directly at fault however, like luvmytbs said, lots of tracks are now employing an “Anti-Slaughter” clause and IIRC, the punishment varies from track to track but I think it involves the trainer losing their ability to train on the track if they are found having sold a horse thru slaughter pens.

[luvmytbs]

@findeight;8143142

The only way to bring Racing back to what it was is to ban Casino, Racino and online gambling like it was back when. People came to the track to gamble, now they don’t have to, declining attendance is about local access to gambling, not horse welfare. Which is better today then it was back when the stands were full.

I clicked “Like” by mistake when I was aiming for the reply with quote button. Just FYI.

People came to the track to gamble? It wasn’t about the horses?
That’s pretty sad, really.

So essentially you’d also be in support of dog or cock fighting, since it’s about the gambling?

If people are so addicted to gambling, maybe they should go to a gambling boat and play poker or Black Jack. At least there one doesn’t have to consider any animal’s welfare.

[betonbill]

I’m very sorry about the horses, and hope that they are able to raise enough money to get them out and safe.

BTW, I was under the impression that the Mexican SHs had been more or less closed since the EU decided not to buy from them. When did this change?

And further BTW, horse racing IS all about the gambling. For many years I believe it was the only legal way for a person to gamble, hence the popularity of the sport, especially during the 30s, 40s, and 50s. When people could gamble legally on other things, it probably contributed to lessening its popularity somewhat.

[Kwill]

The remaining horses have less than 12 hours before they are shipped, if anyone can help. Some have been placed.

I don’t have the ability to take any, unfortunately.

[mswillie]

@luvmytbs;8143165

People came to the track to gamble? It wasn’t about the horses?
That’s pretty sad, really.

So essentially you’d also be in support of dog or cock fighting, since it’s about the gambling?

I’m not the person to whom this was directed but the truth is that most people who go to the tracks go to gamble. Acknowledging that truth hardly insinuates that the person supports either dog or cock fighting, or any other form of gambling that involves animals.

I’m not in a position to own more than one horse but I do hope they find soft landings.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;8143165]
I clicked “Like” by mistake when I was aiming for the reply with quote button. Just FYI.

People came to the track to gamble? It wasn’t about the horses?
That’s pretty sad, really.

So essentially you’d also be in support of dog or cock fighting, since it’s about the gambling?

If people are so addicted to gambling, maybe they should go to a gambling boat and play poker or Black Jack. At least there one doesn’t have to consider any animal’s welfare.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Yes, the people don’t care about the horses. They bet dogs as much, would put their money on mice or roaches, if that’s what is racing!

Off track betting is really hurting the tracks, and the antiquated ZOMG IT’S GAMBLING!!! attitude, that keeps families with kids from the premises!

Racing isn’t about the horses, has never been in the US.
Sorry to break it to you!

but nice try.
(FWIW: if you can drug your horse for the race, and only need to let the officials know, so they can put it in the program - for the bettors, you know it isn’t about purity of sport, or to better the breeding stock!)

ETA:
Oh, and the crumbling middle class has no more disposable income to play the sport of kings. And the old folks die out, no new ones growing after. I mean, who can blame them, To race a horse, you have to breed them, train them and race them. No matter how you turn it, there are easier ways to make money, without having the loonytunes in your face at every turn.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=mswillie;8143234]
I’m not the person to whom this was directed but the truth is that most people who go to the tracks go to gamble. Acknowledging that truth hardly insinuates that the person supports either dog or cock fighting, or any other form of gambling that involves animals.

I’m not in a position to own more than one horse but I do hope they find soft landings.[/QUOTE]

Animal rights extremists just think like that.
They accuse anyone questioning them on anything of being abusers themselves.
You know, put others at the defensive by yelling in a crowded room “have you beat your wife today yet?”

Then, we tend to accuse them of caring for their agendas more than for the animals themselves.

The difference, they don’t know anyone is an abuser or supports dog or cock fighting and, honestly no one does, but we know animal rights extremists want all uses of animals eventually banned.

Back to these horses, are they really going somewhere to a slaughter plant, or just down the road to another horse sale, where they may find another buyer, what the person selling them to that trader intended?

Is that “they are going to slaughter” another guess only, a way for some traders to sell horses quickly to a certain market fueled by that kind of buyers, that love to brag of buying “rescues”?

I would vet that situation carefully first.

If someone wants to help horses, do look right at home, there are plenty of local rescues needing to move horses where you are, for what is being reported.

Then, if it fits with what some like to haul a horse from far away to help “rescue” it, why not?
There is room for all in the horse world.

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;8143165]
I clicked “Like” by mistake when I was aiming for the reply with quote button. Just FYI.

People came to the track to gamble? It wasn’t about the horses?
That’s pretty sad, really.

So essentially you’d also be in support of dog or cock fighting, since it’s about the gambling?

If people are so addicted to gambling, maybe they should go to a gambling boat and play poker or Black Jack. At least there one doesn’t have to consider any animal’s welfare.[/QUOTE]

As others have said, horse racing in the US has always been predominately about the gambling. For the average fan, it has never been about the horses.

However, that statement does not hold true for the horsemen and women who dedicate their lives to the sport. For us, it’s all about the animals. Gambling is what pays our bills, as it fuels the purses which attract people to want to own race horses. Without gambling, everyone employed by the racing industry in the United States would be out on the streets.

Unfortunately, money causes many horsemen and women to lose their priorities. It is unfortunate what is happening at Evangeline, especially in our time of increased awareness. I hope we can put public pressure on the track and not only end the irresponsibly cruel actions of the few, but encourage LA to adopt policies against situations like this.

I’d also like to point out that it’s a prominent racing owner who brought awareness to the situation by posting on her Facebook page (although I’m sure you realize that).

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8143454]
As others have said, horse racing in the US has always been predominately about the gambling. For the average fan, it has never been about the horses.

However, that statement does not hold true for the horsemen and women who dedicate their lives to the sport. For us, it’s all about the animals. Gambling is what pays our bills, as it fuels the purses which attract people to want to own race horses. Without gambling, everyone employed by the racing industry in the United States would be out on the streets.

Unfortunately, money causes many horsemen and women to lose their priorities. It is unfortunate what is happening at Evangeline, especially in our time of increased awareness. I hope we can put public pressure on the track and not only end the irresponsibly cruel actions of the few, but encourage LA to adopt policies against situations like this.

I’d also like to point out that it’s a prominent racing owner who brought awareness to the situation by posting on her Facebook page (although I’m sure you realize that).[/QUOTE]

Its the whole system.
The people on the backside eat, sleep, breathe horses, that does not change the fact that to make a living, they have to play by gamblers rules.
I know there are people making the case to run with Lasix, but damn…really?
if the horse is a bleeder, it does not belong on the track!

[jenm]

@betonbill;8143184

BTW, I was under the impression that the Mexican SHs had been more or less closed since the EU decided not to buy from them. When did this change?

We wish! Workers have been laid off but horses are still leaving Texas every week for the Mexican slaughter houses.

There is a new SAFE Act which has been introduced to both Houses, which would make it illegal to ship horses across our boarders for slaughter.

[Kwill]

All horses are placed. Wonderful!

[Bopper]

Just some information at least about Louisiana tracks. It is all about the gambling. Most of the tracks here actually tried to cut back on racing days because they lose money on them but the legislature dictates (somewhat) racing days and they will not change it. Evangeline is a Racino and trust me (l live about 40 miles from it) most of the people there are at the casino not at the track. My track experience is limited but based on most of the conversations that I have heard while at the track, a lot of spectators don’t care about the horse unless they ran well and the person has a winning ticket.

As for the horses, go the stockyard near the race track any week during racing season and you will see horses off the track selling for slaughter.

[Kwill]

Yes, I imagine this was a drop in the bucket as far as saving horses from the kill buyer down there. One starfish, and all that.

It was an Illinois organization that ultimately did the networking to help the horses.

[danceronice]

Ask the bookmakers in the UK what it’s about over there…racing is a betting sport, it’s not about people standing around watching pwetty horses run in circles.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=danceronice;8146492]
Ask the bookmakers in the UK what it’s about over there…racing is a betting sport, it’s not about people standing around watching pwetty horses run in circles.[/QUOTE]

I was a a tack in Germany once, back then a rare mid week card.
The odds were fantastic, a lot f money being placed.
The stands looked like a ghost town, I think only the horse connections frequented the top side.
Race hamsters…doesn’t matter (and in the UK, they bet on anything anyhow!)

[Belmont]

I’m not sure if this has been said, but the horses have been placed and the track has publicly spoken about the issue. They are now implementing no slaughter rule.