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Eventing Stallion Ideas for BWP mare

Sport Horse Breeding
#1

I am trying to gather a list for potential stallions for my mare for the spring. The mare is registered BWP who is by Paparazzo (http://onthebitfarm.com/paprazzo.htm) o/o the TB mare Java Ridge (http://www.pedigreequery.com/java+ridge). She is owned by myself and a good friend of mine who is a 3* rider who will be training/riding any foals. She is in foal to Ramiro B for spring 2018 foal and took first time with frozen (so that is not an issue).The mare is very game and has a really good gallop, but she is about as heavy build-wise as we would want; so definitely not looking for a stallion that is going to add bulk. She’s a nice jumper but can be a bit lazy on the follow-through behind in stadium. Our goal for the next foal would be to produce an upper level horse. I’m thinking we need to be looking at high percentage TB stallions to give us the best shot at achieving this goal with this mare. I’ve got a list started but would love input from more experienced breeders. Any suggestions for high %TB stallions (frozen is A-OK!)? Also, thoughts on possibly using an Anglo-Arabian stallion (something I’ve been throwing around in my head)? Happy to link to pics/video of the mare if that would be helpful, just don’t have the brainpower to do so tonight :wink:

Thanks all!!

#2

Do you want to stick with BWP stallions? If you want some anglo-arab, I’d probably find a Trakehner stallion. I think there are a couple of prolific Trakehner eventing stallions.

As far as BWP stallions, Lotus T (inactive but approved) might have the highest percentage TB. Seems like BWP approved an eventing stallion (Leonardo, maybe). Gatsby is half TB. Peterbuilt is lovely and a quarter TB. It really comes down to your mare.

#3

Jaguar Mail.

#4

I’m not 100% committed to staying with a BWP stallion, more concerned with making the best match possible. We are both new to this so I really appreciate the insight.

Elizabeth- He’s definitely on our list. We almost bred her to him this last Go-around. Also, as a side note, I’m one of the owners of Lanikai with Alex (who also owns this mare with me)! He is so completely lovely and we just adore him!!

some that I want to look more into:
Jaguar Mail
Take It To The Limit
Weston Justice
All That Jazz
Persiflage AA

Heres the mare:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f…type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f…type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f…type=3&theater

#5

I love Persiflage… He’s a unique and remarkable stallion. I heard he has a few babies on the ground in NA but I am not sure any are under saddle. I believe he’s approved AES… I’m not sure how much reciprocity they have with other studbooks, but I would imagine his pedigree and competition record would make him acceptable to most.

I like All That Jazz too. But I tend to like most AA s, and most of what Biddesden Stud has to offer. Have you thought at all about Tomatillo… The Tamarillo clone? It’s a huge risk, I’m not sure and I am not sure how registration would work… But interesting.

​​​​​​​Jaguar Mail is very proven, but I have heard he is not much of a refiner. You also would be adding another line to Turn To… I’m not sure if that’s brilliant, or too much of a good thing given your mares’s pedigree.

​​​​​​​One other AA to check out is Bonaparte N. He’s approved by all the German studbooks… I’d imagine would be fine for BWP

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#6

TB stallion Just A Devil https://sites.google.com/site/cedarbrookfarmva/stallions

He evented to Training Level, and his offspring are successfully eventing. His son out of a BWP/TB mare evented Advanced. Another sibling just competed at the championships with a 13 year old jr rider who broke the 6 year old herself. She placed 22nd out of 61+ entries. Double clean cc & stadium. Lauren Kieffer loves this stallion’s offspring.

#7

Jaguar Mail throws heavy - despite looking very blooded I would not pick him if you do not want any heavier than the mare currently is. Gatsby will also add heaviness IME.

She does look lovely. I’d want to pick a stallion that could improve her neck and give her a cleaner throatlatch. Other than that there is very little to my eye that I find needs improving.

Does she move well enough? The problem with some of the more blooded horses is they tend not to move as elastically, but they do have the gallop.

I’d consider Jackaroo if you haven’t already. I second the Persiflage but keep in mind that while he is considered a refining breed he is not super refined himself, you might not end up with something lighter than what you have. Same with Tatendrang. Both Persiflage and Tatendrang have been on my list for a long time, they’re wonderful stallions. Tatendrang just finished up his first Advanced IIRC.

I would be curious to see more about Tomatillo. Are they campaigning him at all? I guess they don’t have to considering he’s Tamarillo’s clone.

All That Jazz would definitely improve her neck length & position. By today’s standards he is not the greatest mover but he has a good canter & gallop.

Another stallion that is definitely worth a consideration is Future Gravitas:
http://futuresporthorses.co.uk/stallions/future-gravitas/

He is by Grafenstolz who doesn’t need much introduction, but the pedigree I think would pair well with your mare and her needs. From what I am seeing he does not seem to make horses heavier, but he is not a refiner either. He seems pretty modern in type.

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#8

Jackaroo is 97% TB and from a very accomplished eventing family. He’s available frozen here. I’ve seen some foal photos and he produces very nice looking younguns.

His sire was Master Imp, so he probably produces professional rides.

#9

From what digging I’ve done I’d heard that JM tends to throw heavier. That’s the main reason I passed on him last year. I’d be ok if the foal was as heavy as the mare but I definitely don’t want heavier so I think I’ll take him off the list of possibilities.

She moves well, elastic, light and relaxed on the flat. Definitely not a blow you away mover but good enough to do hold her own against the majority of the imports.

Another stallion I’ve had suggested to me is Upsilon. He seems to be younger but looks like a nice type. Any thoughts? thanks for all the input thus far and I will be looking into these suggested stallions

#10

One more AA name for you to check - Querdolan Vitarel. Really specific French AA. Chatsworth stud did have his frozen here in the states - not sure if they still do. They had some video and photos of a few youngsters from him up on Facebook… Looked like excellent quality horses.

#11

I looked for Upsilon semen this year and could not find any in the US or any to import. Great minds think alike…

#12

Tatendrang and Tzigane are two that come to mind. I love the successful young eventing stallion Tatendrang. (long legs, fancy movement, stamps his get) and I love Tzigane as he is a beautiful talented boy that is proven sire of event horses and is back in the US.

#13

Wow, can this guy ever jump. I also have liked Bonaparte AA for a long time now. Sorry, I don’t have any suggestions, just enjoy this thread and all the AA suggestions.

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#14

I have a yearling by Persiflage and love the cross. This was the mare’s last foal but I will use him on her daughter maybe next year. Frozen was good.

My mare had had three very good gaits. Not flashy but very correct with a very good canter. She is huge (17.3h) and more old style Hanoverian even though she has quite a bit of blood (dam sire is Lemon xx). I was hoping the cross to Persiflage would hold down her size but nope…Moose is a moose. BUT I did get more refinement…basically got my mare with more refinement which is fantastic.

Here is a video of him as a just yearling. His trot is better than he shows but he is the type who will be very very nice when we get under saddle but not the flashy sort you show as a youngster. Which I’m fine with. I have a couple of 4* riders so far interested in this boy but I likely will not sell until after we get him undersaddle (if I sell him at all).

https://youtu.be/mRsuG5pbR3w

#15

I have a yearling by Persiflage and love the cross. This was the mare’s last foal but I will use him on her daughter maybe next year. Frozen was good. And I got him approved with OLD NA (mare is approved with them and AHS).

My mare has three very good gaits. Not flashy but very correct with a very good canter. She is huge (17.3h) and more old style Hanoverian even though she has quite a bit of blood (dam sire is Lemon xx). I was hoping the cross to Persiflage would hold down her size but nope…Moose is a moose. BUT I did get more refinement…basically got my mare with more refinement which is fantastic.

Here is a video of him as a just yearling. His trot is better than he shows but he is the type who will be very very nice when we get under saddle but not the flashy sort you show as a youngster. Which I’m fine with. He may not be super impressive compared to some of my dressage bred youngsters but I can absolutely see him killing it on xc. I have a couple of 4* riders so far interested in this boy but I likely will not sell until after we get him undersaddle (if I sell him at all).

https://youtu.be/mRsuG5pbR3w

#16

I have a yearling by Persiflage and love the cross. This was the mare’s last foal but I will use him on her daughter maybe next year. Frozen was good.

My mare had had three very good gaits. Not flashy but very correct with a very good canter. She is huge (17.3h) and more old style Hanoverian even though she has quite a bit of blood (dam sire is Lemon xx). I was hoping the cross to Persiflage would hold down her size but nope…Moose is a moose. BUT I did get more refinement…basically got my mare with more refinement which is fantastic.

Here is a video of him as a just yearling. His trot is better than he shows but he is the type who will be very very nice when we get under saddle but not the flashy sort you show as a youngster. Which I’m fine with. I have a couple of 4* riders so far interested in this boy but I likely will not sell until after we get him undersaddle (if I sell him at all).

https://youtu.be/mRsuG5pbR3w

#17

I will say that I generally do agree with adding blood for UL eventers. That said…I’m tempted to try Diamant De Quidam on my Dutch/TB mare. I have a 5 year old out of her by Desir du Chateau who has turned out quite nice. But worried it will not be enough blood so may instead use him on a full TB event mare. I do really like Desir du Chateau (and he is 66%blood) but difficult to get frozen in the USA for him.

i also love Diacontinus but not enough blood for what you are looking for.

#18

We just got back from Europe/Bundeschampionate and I quite liked Diacontinus too, but boy that Argentinus blood really came through on his type. He’s big and beefy.

https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_3332.jpg?w=439&h=341
https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_3328.jpg?w=433&h=429

Sure did fall in love with his sire Diarado though. What a perfectly put together little horse - super type - and we loved every offspring we saw (which was, no kidding, almost a dozen between the showjumpers and the eventers).

https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_1103.jpg?w=427&h=459

My favorite of the Diarado’s, a 5yo eventer:
https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_3357.jpg?w=883&h=756
https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_3208.jpg?w=469&h=404

#19

Wow! Great looking boy.

#20

Yes Ms R I liked Diacontinus on a full TB. I tried to get one of my good TB mares into foal to him and think it would be an outstanding cross.

and I like getting that Contendro/Argentinus through the dam with Diarado

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