I have a client looking at a horse from Jaclyn Meinen dressage in NorCal. I would really appreciate if anyone could p.m. me any of their experiences. The horse seems lovely I just want to make sure and do my due diligence. 
Anyone?
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No help from me, but looking at her website I see really nice horses!
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Terrible experiance
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I have a client looking at a horse from Jaclyn Meinen dressage in NorCal. I would really appreciate if anyone could p.m. me any of their experiences. The horse seems lovely I just want to make sure and do my due diligence. :)[/QUOTE]
Please be very careful her reputation is terrible [edit] and has had many people sue her for wrongful sales. Hopefully you did not purchase a horse from Jacklyn Meinen
DO NOT buy, train or do anything with Jaclyn Meinen. She is a liar, steals from her clients and has little idea how to train others. BEWARE!
Sad to say, but I wouldn’t trust either of the above. Just because it’s your first post doesn’t mean your input isn’t dependable, but it’s also important to realize that OP requested PMs for a reason.
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Changing topic . . . this summer I overheard a vet tell a frustrated client who was looking for a new horse and had two failed PPEs. When you ride the horse you think is the one for the final time, call seller to confirm ride time, then tell them after the ride you have scheduled a vet to do a blood draw. It eliminates any mental or physical drugs, and stops wasting time and money.
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Changing topic . . . this summer I overheard a vet tell a frustrated client who was looking for a new horse and had two failed PPEs. When you ride the horse you think is the one for the final time, call seller to confirm ride time, then tell them after the ride you have scheduled a vet to do a blood draw. It eliminates any mental or physical drugs, and stops wasting time and money.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think it’s that easy. You’d think knowing someone would pull blood for later analysis would stop a seller from cheating. But really, pulling blood doesn’t mean much unless you are prepared to test it-- and to fight-- should anything be found amiss.
Don’t make threats you don’t intend to act upon, and then it’s all “easy.”
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I kind of understood Calhoun to mean he’d have a vet there to take the blood test after the ride. Seller would not know ahead of time.
In any case, a test for drugs sounds like good advice for any of the days one’s riding or otherwise evaluating a horse. I don’t know the feasibility of it - hopefully it’s practicable.
I have an email from a former instructor advertising her service for helping find a purchase, in which she states she can either test or tell whether a horse is on drugs. I do think it’s something that’s taught in equine science courses.
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Trying to imagine a trainer taking responsibility for telling if a horse is on drugs.
That sounds crazy - I can’t imagine any trainer taking on that kind of liability.
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I had blood pulled and tested on the last two horses I purchased. Both horses were drug free. Worth the money.
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I have purchased several horses from Jaclyn Meinen Dressage. Highly reputable trainer and competitor (check out her Centerline scores and her resume). Her horses are lovely, very talented and well cared for. All buyers are requested to have full vet exams and keep in touch regarding their horses. All paperwork is straightforward and clear. It’s a good feeling to deal with a caring professional trying to find the best home for each horse.
You can’t go wrong with one of her horses (or with her training). I highly recommend dealing with Jaclyn Meinen Dressage.[/QUOTE]
You know, advertising is banned here. :lol:
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A lot of vets take blood at the PPE - they don’t always run the blood tests for drugs, but put it in the refrigerator - if the client calls a few days later and says “this horse is NOT the horse I tried, or the horse we saw at the PPE”, they run the blood tests for drugs.
I actually have a retired mare who was sold to a JUNIOR rider who was sedated when she tried her - BOTH times, once on her own, once with a trainer. So yes, there is a reason to draw blood. It doesn’t need to be at the time you try the horse - as long as you are present for the PPE and can see if the horse’s demeanor changes.
The above has nothing to do with the OPs request on a specific trainer…
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Trying to imagine a trainer taking responsibility for telling if a horse is on drugs.
That sounds crazy - I can’t imagine any trainer taking on that kind of liability.[/QUOTE]
Not sure I meant a trainer, like any old trainer. This would be a person who has had training in equine science (same training that vets get) who is offering to assist newbies in purchase of horses. Same sort of assistance the vet can give. In equine science curriculum there are those who learn both the riding/training aspects as well as veterinary aspects. This sort of person could advise concerning the ride-ability/trainability of a prospect as well as be able to determine whether horse shows signs/side effects of being on a tranquilizer/sedative like promazine.
(The instructor who was offering this service had this type of degree and experience).
As for liability, I, as buyer, would be holding only the seller responsible, and asking the vet for assistance insofar as he/she has ability to provide. Pretty sure there are professionals available to help with PPE’s, however, who will take this responsibility. It’s what they’re trained for.
@CR I would suspect that your former trainer in offering blood testing as part of her services is encroaching on the field of veterinary medicine, and could be held liable. Equine science majors do not receive the same education as veterinarians.
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I’ve actually watched multiple people dope up horses for sales appointments, hell i’ve been asked to do the drugging by an Olympian no less, when they know full well that blood testing is standard at a vetting at our level.
Yeah you may get through the trial but you won’t get through the vetting so why waste everyone’s time???
But I’ve also had one of the top labs come back and tell my rider out horse tested positive at a sales vetting.
Then come back three days later and say oops! Sorry! Mixed up your horse with another.
You can’t win. Draw blood anyway.
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I try to “vet” everyone today, not just the horses.
I just texted a fellow equestrian about someone I dealt with in a negative way as an LEO. She wasted surprised, but I think that the gist of it was that this person was trying to get her to let her have a horse on a 30-day trial. I told her no f-ing way. The fact is, sometimes the people are worse than the horses could ever be.
Trust, but verify.
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Old thread bumped rather than starting new thread about SS ban.
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You only get ONE chance at a good reputation in the horse industry. If you play dirty, it sticks like snot. I have always valued my reputation and that of my horses (I am a breeder) and make sure I reveal everything I know and release all vet records. Not everyone likes me - I can be a bitch! But no one can say I’m dishonest or don’t take great care of my animals. THAT is more important to me than if they like me or not – probably the ones I declined to sell a prospect to because they lacked the skills or trained with a crap trainer. ALWAYS protect your reputation! The horse industry has gotten much smaller with the internet and networking is a key. This is NOT an ad - not trying to sell anything here. Just some sage advice from someone who has been breeding, training and selling for longer than I’d care to admit.
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