Family member animal hoarding

Keeping species vague for privacy. Please be kind. I’m struggling with how to help a senior close relative (CR) who owns a 2-acre hobby farm with ~80 animals (large/small mammals and birds). After a recent personal crisis, CR’s animal care has declined. Over the years there’s been about 20 mammal deaths related to delayed or absent veterinary intervention. Vet care is skipped due to cost; basic needs like trimming, dentistry, and vaccinations is prolonged or skipped. None are UTD on shots or trim. Water is sometimes dirty or empty, and many animals show signs of poor health. CR continues to breed and acquire more animals, though most don’t sell due to poor condition and pricing. Pens are at critical mass and unsanitary. CR relies heavily on close family for help and reacts poorly when refused, which has driven others away. I’m the only one still involved, but it’s not sustainable.

CR denies there’s a problem, despite recognizing poor care in others. CR is resistant to therapy and becomes defensive when the topic is broached by family members. It’s heartbreaking. CR wasn’t always this way and used to have great animal husbandry. No one wants CR to get rid of all animals (which is what CR hears…), but we all agree CR is over their head. How can we support the animals and encourage a compassionate intervention towards a more sustainable herd size —especially when terms like “downsizing” trigger CR and totally shut down the conversation?

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It’s important to note that things like hoarding are a mental illness and you are very unlikely to succeed by trying to talk to them about it. If the person is not willing to get help on their own accord, or even acknowledge there is a problem, things will continue to get worse. I’d put a call into animal control personally over something like this.

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I am so very sorry you are having to deal with this.

It does sound like some declining mental abilities are the problem here, if CR has been able to recognize in the past what good care looked like.

I would not find it wrong to simply remove a bunch of animals (tell CR you found them dead out there if you have to), so they can find better care.

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This.
You are long past the point where any gentle conversations can do any good.
Call animal control.

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Adding to what the others are saying – there is no easy way forward from here. I know you aren’t unrealistically looking for that. But the pain level for everyone involved is likely to be considerably higher than it has been even to date, than anyone wants it to be.

When someone is intransigent on the key points, when their mental state makes them incapable of processing logically and with a sound connection to the truth of the situation, unfortunately change will only come from others stepping in and forcing the situation.

Animal control is a start. It’s an outside opinion adding to the other opinions – which is not likely to impress CR. I have no doubt that CR now considers every opinion other than CR’s own to be grounded in sheer stupidity. And argues and resists as if that is the case.

So, I don’t know how this would land with you and your family – is there any option to have family take and keep or re-home animals? With or without CR’s consent. Would CR call the law out on you? When CR re-stocks (as hoarders do) … well, deal with that then, I guess.

Are there rescues you can work with, who can give advice from their experience? Even help relocate / rehome if you can get to that? More than one rescue, probably, due to different species.

Also, working with a rescue, you may be able to bring out animals one or a few at a time to new homes. With some invented reason for each placement that CR buys into. This has worked with certain hoarding cases, from time to time. It doesn’t necessarily always solve the problem, but it can reduce it. And the starfish theory - for those animals who leave, at least their lives are rescued.

For what it’s worth – are there other parts of CR’s life that are causing concern due to declining mental condition? It may be an approach for CR’s whole life picture that moves action forward on the animal hoarding problem.

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The seizure route – As you likely know, the legal process to remove some or all of the animals can be excruciating. You will probably have to maintain some energy behind it, or it won’t be done.

You might start by having a conversation with local Animal Control. What is their process. What has to happen to get to a seizure. Sometimes it is very hard to ever meet the conditions for seizure. Look at the record of seizures in the last two to three years – if there are very few, it is not likely due to few or no cases, rather that this jurisdiction is reluctant to seize.

What happens after the seizure – where do the animals go.

This is key, because in some jurisdictions with low resources and especially for small animals such as dogs & cats, the gov’t ‘shelter’ is worse than the terrible homes the animals were taken from. Sometimes just a small fence pen with little shelter. For similar reasons, they have a hard time rehoming animals who were in bad condition to begin with and not improving much. And/or, whose conditions decline under gov’t care.

Large animals aka livestock (including equines) often go to auction, by law. The law sees them as an economic asset with a monetary value. The law considers auction the fairest way to be sure that no one benefits unfairly from their seizure. The animal(s) is held at the auction house for X days for an owner to meet conditions to reclaim. If not reclaimed, they are sold. Sooner rather than later to stop the ongoing costs of their (minimal) care.

Some jurisdictions won’t seize because they have no place to take the animals. And it sometimes happens that LE knows the animals will not be better off, and honestly has qualms about taking them to a worse situation.

One of the most terrible things about rescuing an animal hoarding situation is that there are so rarely good options for all of the animals, afterward. Too many animals for the supply of generous human hearts to take them. Hoarding produces sick and declining animals, that look ‘terrible’, and aren’t attractive to new homes. It takes a real heart for rescue to see past it.

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I wanted to keep this out of the OP to protect identity, but it’s a small township and the ACO is CR’s best friend. There is no way it wouldn’t get traced to whoever called. I was hoping for gentle guidance on ways to help CR see it’s time to dial it back some. Even downsizing to 3-4 mammals and some birds seems so much more manageable. My fear is ACO won’t do anything because they technically aren’t starving. What you don’t see is that there’s ones that didn’t survive because of suboptimal care. It is not a “Friesians of Majesty” level hoarding case at this point.

Does CR go out and see what their beloved animals look like?

I guess the answer really depends if CR is pretending all is OK or really thinks all is OK.

CR has acknowledged some. There’s a disconnect between cause and effect. CR has made comments like “they look like shit” or “I don’t know why I can’t get rid of these mites” or “all my ____ have foot rot and I don’t know why”. But doesn’t seem to connect it’s all husbandry related and the pens are at critical mass, and many are not getting the individual veterinary care they need.

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I would simply answer CR with facts.

Another option, with the new information, is to ask the best friend AC person for help with the situation.
Tell them how worried you are about CR and though in public his mental capacity seems to look like all it has always been, in private it is clear he is not doing 100% and could the AC person help you convince CR to lower their animal numbers so, with your generous help, they can be as healthy as possible so CR can enjoy animals for as long as possible with out the animals not living their best lives.

(I do not know the people involved so just tossing it out there, I realize this might not work depending on the people.)

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If the animals are being fed, you might not have grounds for a seizure. Many jurisdictions won’t do a whole lot if food and water are available.

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Yes, they always have hay - which is a good thing.

In the event of a seizure, is it all the animals, or only the ones in poor condition?

Agree that just talking to this person is likely useless, it’s a mental health issue or dementia.

Make sure you check local zoning laws. 80 animals on two acres seems really high, depending on species and local laws, of course. But if they are limited on the number of horses or livestock for that township, that may be a way to at least address some of the animals.

Can you also put out Do Not Adopt cautions on Craigslist and Facebook (enlist someone whom your relative doesn’t know), and alert local rescue groups? These notifications are of limited use, but it may help a tiny bit while you address the larger problem.

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With the caveat to always check with your ACO and local laws/regulations … normally it is only the ones in poor condition.

It is not uncommon that some animals on a property are in dire straits, while others are thriving. Either the owner doesn’t know much about some species, but does others, or else the owner has personal issues that causes them to favor some over others.

Seizing animals is a burden on the seizing agency. So they are all about minimizing seizures.

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Given the limits on resources to intervene for the animals … maybe it will help to focus with CR on those in the worst condition. “You know, if you look at what they are standing in, the foot rot starts to make sense.” Walk around in it, see if you can get CR in with you. “How much of this do you think is feces rather than dirt? It seems like a lot to me.”

If CR can consider issues a little at a time, it might help them at least acknowledge that much.

It’s understandable that someone who has allowed a situation to get wildly out of control will now be overwhelmed to see the full extent of it. Rarely does anyone want to acknowledge that scope of their own errors. But they may agree that this item, and this item, at least need correcting. And work through each thing a little at a time. Hopefully.

I actually can think of a non-abusive horse barn that had allowed a number conditions to become a real hazard, but couldn’t acknowledge the full picture. I think they knew they didn’t have the money or resources to correct all of it, and felt overwhelmed and in denial of the list they were urged to address. But over the last two years they have made some significant incremental improvements, one at a time. Some might say that is slow progress. But it is happening.

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This is what gets me. It’s time for hard truths. A animal can die in heat without potable water in a day. They can endure not having maintenance and for a while improper feeding.

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I reread your post again. I understand your angst about a family member. You cannot reason with mental illness or dementia. I abhor suffering. Animals. No matter what species are suffering. How many have to die ? Before someone makes the call. IT WILL NOT GET BETTER.

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This sounds good in theory, but it rarely if ever works. 20 animals have already died from preventable deaths and CR doesn’t seem bothered by that fact. This is the mental illness part and you cannot reason with it.

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20 is breathtaking. One might be a misstep. 20 is unconscionable. Please please please intervene. Even if it offends your family member. They will not improve. At least you could sleep at night. I would rather have a person who not in their right mind. Who needs intervention angry with me. And whatever other family members condone this than to allow suffering of animals. Because allowing this situation to continue not only causes suffering of the hoard of pets but also enables the suffering family member.

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I’ve only been involved with one case where all the animals were required to be removed but it was more so because the couple left the state and all the animals behind. They left a minor child to care for the animals and did not leave any money for living expenses/food/etc, One could argue about the parents’ mental status, but it was not due to dementia.

The other case that comes to mind I was not directly involved in, it was many years ago and a few states away, happened to be in the area and heard of the volunteer opportunity through a friend of a friend of a friend, so I don’t know how it was exactly handled from the start, only the little snippet of what I saw and heard from the other volunteers. It was an elderly couple who were both suffering varying levels of dementia, and they had barns full of horses. Quite a breeding farm in its day. The wife was the one who was more with it and was handling things, up to a point. I never saw the husband. I don’t know how the community did it, but what I gathered during my time there volunteering (cleaning stalls that hadn’t been cleaned in maybe years, you climbed uphill immediately on entering the door), was that they had organized volunteers and did have some kind of law enforcement involved, probably animal control too. They started with no big changes, keeping the horses there, not threatening to take them. Made sure the animals had the basics immediately - hay/water/vet/farrier care, organized turnout if they could, got the barn operating again, checked on the owners daily - someone on site all day, done in shifts. They didn’t do everything at once and they didn’t have too many people on site at once either, one step at a time, I’m guessing so the owner wasn’t overwhelmed. At some point they were able to convince her to sell some, marketed them with full disclosure - she did run a breeding farm, so maybe it was easier since she had sold off stock in the past. It wasn’t a walk in the park, however because she would agree to sell one, then maybe forget she had agreed and refused when the new owners showed up. This is where the law enforcement part /animal control part came in, they would be there ahead of time for every sale, to explain what was happening, make sure no one took advantage of her, organize the paperwork and be mediator if necessary. I think they spent a lot of time with her, she seemed comfortable with them - they seemed to know each other well, maybe a small town / everyone’s your friend thing. She also had some trusted people around her - not sure if they were related, employees, or just long-time volunteers, but what I could tell, if she had an episode, they never forced her or pushed her into selling right there and then. It would take hours sometimes before the papers were signed and the horse loaded. Nothing done behind her back because they said she would pick up on it and lose trust, want everyone off the property. I don’t know how they did it, but it seemed if she had forgotten, they would sit with her and have a discussion each time, taking it slow. Maybe let her go in the house for a while then pick it up again in a few minutes or a few hours. The plan was to get her down to x number of horses, no more breeding, and always have help on site to handle everything until she got to a point where she spent more time in a dementia state than as herself, at which point then the farm would be sold. When she was herself, she knew every single horse and every little detail about their life. Thanked each and every volunteer for what they did. She seemed like a very sweet lady who really cared for each and every horse, and they were her family, so it was pretty hard to see her when she was confused, angry, and not recognizing her animals. I really credit the volunteers I met; they worked really hard, seemed very empathetic to the situation, and just really went all out to help everyone (the people and animals) involved. I don’t know if it was always like that, but it was for the short time I was there. I don’t think it was easy.

I also don’t know if that’s the only way to deal with things, but it seemed to be working for this case. I saw moments when it seemed like it wasn’t working, but she would come around and be ok with whatever eventually - selling a horse, moving a horse to a new stall, any change could set her off and just as quickly she’d come back and be ok with it. It could be because of where she was in her dementia, I really don’t know. I have no idea how they got the volunteers either, or how long they kept it up or if/when the farm sold.

Good luck with your relative. I imagine it will be hard but hoping that it isn’t. It will be worth it though. Thank you for caring and trying to do something.

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