Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

So, the trainwreck is at it again, only this time he is taking on the state of judging. It was well known he was unhappy with his scores at the two recognized shows, not scoring above a 46.97% in three different classes between 2 shows (first show 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 4[SUP]th[/SUP] level; second show 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] level only).

Well, he has gone beyond his arm-waving, poor me attitude to now openly accusing the judges of corruption and politics in the ring. For those who want to read his latest directly, he had the nerve to actually put this out for all to see: https://nickperonace1.wordpress.com/…ey-effect-you/

“Carpathia (the 16.3h 10yr old Thoroughbred Mare I’ve been working with) competed up to 4th Level Dressage this summer. In our first test together we were at home and performed a musical freestyle to The Star Spangled Banner. It was a beautiful test, complete with a military representative holding The American flag. We scored in the 70’s and I was excited to compete her off the property at a recognized show”
Of course, not mentioning the fact that it was on home property and “judged” by his student who had just started dressage training.

Next he says (paraphrased) that Carpathia was an angel in the warmup but essentially lost it in the ring to distraction and the sound of the sand being kicked up into the plastic arena. He says OK, he was expecting a lower score, 50-52% and was amazed at the “awful” score of 43%. Now, remember, he was riding a fourth level test.

He states:

“Obviously I knew it wasn’t our best ride so I was expecting a low score, probably around 52-50%. Nope I was wrong, we scored a 43. But how could this be? A 43% is awful! Carpathia gave me beautiful Canter Half Pass, Extensions and I thought her Half Pass in trot going to the left was quite exceptional. Having a look at the test sheet, I could tell right away who the main culprit was: politics. My marks were ridiculously unfairly low. I received a 2 because my last halt was not square. I was scored a 3 because she came above the bit looking outside the ring during a Half Pass. The judge marked me down as a 2 because she changed late behind in a flying change. This is politics in the show ring.”

Apparently he never bothered to read the requirements of each movement and how each is scored at the level he believed he was riding.

“Keeping my head up, I courageously went back out into the show ring the very next month. We competed at 3rd Level (a level Carpathia can do blindfolded) and had a nice calm test. She was on point and I was extremely proud. Somewhere between 60-70% I was assuming the score would be. My jaw was on the floor for quite some time when I surprisingly received my score of a 46%. Get %#!* real! How could this be? Again I looked at the score sheet and again I saw unfair low marks, only this time the judge not only marked us down, but made up things that never happened! She wrote that I received a 2 in my Shoulder-In because my horse was throwing her head around. This is a complete lie and I have the video to prove it! She did not in any way throw her head around. She was round and light the entire test.”

The little snippet of vid he posted to “prove” these points was long distance and level low so no one could actually tell what he was riding. He said he got nothing but kind remarks and people assumed he got a high score, when in fact the few comments he received were, while not mean, were more of the "oh, OK’ variety as in “whatever you say Nick.”

However, this is the part that could likely get him into a lot of deep manure with the USDF:

“Then later the next morning I received a text message from a friend. She informed me that the judge had been corrupted beforehand. What had happened was that a handful of idiots solicited the judge with all kinds of hateful lies said about me online (read We Need To Talk Part 2 on my blog). I can only speculate that the same thing was done to the first judge a month earlier in our first show. I mean you’ve got to admit, receiving a 2 for not having a square Halt is a bit excessive don’t you think? That’s politics for you! Next summer we will be competing at the FEI level so there will be more than one judge, though I’m not expecting that much of a political difference and I’ll explain why. Judges have a predetermined concept in their mind of what they are expecting to see in the show ring. They are not judging you personally, they are judging you compared to what else they have seen that day. This is why sometimes you’ll hear about a horse receiving a 70% at one show and an 85% at the next. It has nothing to do with performance but it has everything to do with a predetermined idea. The judge not only is comparing you too other riders, but “who” those other riders are.”

I won’t copy and paste the entire article, people can read it for themselves, but, if this clown is trying to drum himself out of the dressage business, he is certainly going about it the right way. Personally, if he continues with these accusations against trained, certified and licensed judges, I am guessing it could lead to a permanent ban from all USDF recognized competition as both a rider and as a trainer, no matter how much of a “trainer” he might claim to be. He says he has proof of his accusations, he better make sure it is rock solid and provable. Show the test sheets, the remarks and the videos, which were professionally recorded, to prove the point.

He ends the article with this little gem:

“Forget who’s watching, because chances are the judge isn’t watching either.”

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Skimmed through his post. He has bit of a rant about how non-Warmbloods aren’t able to be successful at the higher levels of dressage. Doesn’t appear to understand how dressage is judged. When I first became aware of him, he only had the training of one horse to boast about and that had been some years prior. So I appreciate the fact that he is making the effort with another horse and is even competing. I don’t think he competed the first horse.

Magic Wish Fairy, please make this man shut up and instill in him the desire to learn dressage properly.

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He will never blame himself as being responsible for the poor riding and low scores.

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We’ve all seen the pictures of those specific tests, so we all know why the scores were so low. Curious what he thinks a late change (ie movement not performed correctly) should be scored at?

The bizarre idea that dressage is somehow judged against other riders in the class is a headshaker, but serves to confirm again how little dressage knowledge this man has, despite putting himself out there as a professional.

The allegations of politics and corruption by multiple judges are ridiculous; honestly I can’t imagine any of them had ever heard of him before the show.

Since we know he reads these threads, let’s let NP know there is an easy way to solve this controversy - post a high quality, unedited video of him and Carpathia doing a Third Level test. Should be easy since she can do it blindfolded. Then the world can decide whether the problem is corrupt judges who don’t appreciate greatness when they see it, or a rider suffering from delusions of grandeur.

I would also strongly encourage NP to spend some time volunteering as a scribe at his local shows. It will give him far more insight into how and why judges award the marks they do.

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Do you seriously wish that upon ANY judge?

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He mentions there is a video that shows that the low score was not earned, that the performance was not scored accurately… so show us that video.
He won’t of course.

Let’s also note this first outing he mentions, the musical freestyle was judged by his lil friend who teaches riding [but has a lot to learn herself still, sounds like a theme with these two, no?] and has never ridden a dressage test or taken a Dressage lesson from someone other than NP… has never scribed or learned to judge Dressage in her life afaik…
So it was like if you had your Uncle Ralph score your Freestyle… after you told him what to give you for each movement. :lol:

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I have no doubt that those judges he showed under will find out about what he is saying. I wonder if he will be allowed to show in those venues again.

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Ulf Wadeborn, the judge, didn’t even know what test he was judging. He commented on FB on the way home that it was the worst test he ever judged (or something to that effect).

Shame on NP, I know Ulf- really too bad that he got caught up in this mess. I feel bad when good trainers/judges that help the sport get attacked like this.

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Can you put Nick Peronance in the title please? we need to make these threads more searchable to link them for reference. Make it obvious so those who are googling him know this is about him- not just NP/classical trainer. I didn’t know what it was about either.

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Or spell “classical” with a K!:smiley:

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I don’t understand how delusional this guy is. He’s had this horse for what, a year? And he thinks he can do a canter-halt transition and get a 6? How is this horse capable of doing any of the movements required for a 4-1 test? Another year and she’ll be doing Grand Prix, huh? Wow.

It’s too bad this guy thinks any kind of criticism is just some kind of massive conspiracy. He really needs to work with a trainer and start at the bottom, but I don’t think any trainer who knew who he is would be willing to help him, not that I can blame them. It doesn’t matter anyway, his ego is too big for him to be willing to get any help.

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Is there any USDF/USEF code of conduct for professionals or even just members? Maybe a mission statement? His latest post is not just in bad taste but inflammatory against specific people, even though they are not named, as well as “the system” at large. You don’t like our sandbox, don’t play in it, but also don’t insult those of us who choose to.

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I think he is seriously mentally ill or totally clueless.

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[h=2]Chevey’s Cup, Removed from DAD (NP) https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/dressage/337171-dad-yanks-chevey-s-cup-from-awards-list[/h]

I want to say there was a post at one time or another, not too long after Peronace burst on the scene and he started “stating” rather vociferously about being cyber bullied, that we were told not to put his name in the title of a thread.

Moderator(s)…what say you?

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Something else that gets me about his statement of “…the judge had been corrupted beforehand. What had happened was that a handful of idiots solicited the judge with all kinds of hateful lies said about me online.”

This tells me he has never scribed in his life. The judge doesn’t see the test sheet until after it is completed and they need to enter the collective remarks and sign the sheet. Sure, if they are familiar with a rider they may recognize them, I have friends who I rode with many years ago that may be judging a schooling show I am riding in, but most judges aren’t going to be able to identify one rider from another.

Even in larger shows where there may be daysheets, the judge doesn’t get these until about 30 minutes prior to the first ride if they see them at all…the sheets usually go to the scribe…part of the scribe’s job. The judge doesn’t have time to go down the list to try and identify who they are going to score high and who they are going to score low and most scribes anyway, especially at a larger show, aren’t going to know one rider from another unless the rider is familiar to them, but, scribe rules apply…keep the mouth shut and what goes on in the judge’s box stays in the judge’s box.

His outright accusations are what got me going this time. His general whining is one thing; his accusations that could cost a judge their reputation, even under a false accusation, is just something I can’t abide. He may not have directly named names in the blog post but it is easy enough to locate where he rode as he indicates “recognized” and USDF does have his scores showing.

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I have defended this man because I thought there was bullying/stalking behavior by some members here. Not because of his training, but because of this community’s tearing into him. He does have kids. He is a fly you guys were going after with a howitzer.
But, really, he is making it very difficult. To possibly think judges look at who is in a class - especially at 3rd level - and judge that way, is just … delusional. And to think there is a countrywide conspiracy against him (one of the judges was from CA) is absurd. Ulf is one of the hardest working, most fair judges I have had the pleasure of working with.
For your edification, NP, if you are reading this, dressage is judged against a standard. One that we, as judges, have had instilled in us over years of training. We do not adjust this standard according to who is in the class.

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Great post!!

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I have another question directed at NP personally. There was a photographer at the shows. The photos are public and many of us have seen them. If, as you say, Carpathia was round and light and offered beautiful half passes, extensions, etc. why didn’t the photographer capture these moments? Why isn’t there a single image of her showing any connection, collection or impulsion? Why isn’t there a single photo of her even “on the bit?” Or the photographer part of the nationwide conspiracy against you too?

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What is most amusing is the fact that NP thought any of these judges knew who he was before he went in the ring and cared enough about who he was to change their typical judging practice for him.

He clearly thinks he is a bigger person than pretty much everyone else does.

I do hope that his family is not harmed by his delusions. There is a part of me that hopes this is all some fun family game and they sit around and giggle together coming up with even more off the wall things for him to say and do so they can laugh at how people react to him.

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