Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

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@Nickperonace2

Exactly! How many other horses did he see that day, yet my ride he picked to talk about? He shouldn’t have said anything at all, and I think it further proves he had it in for me. There’s other reasons and I’d be happy to discuss. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

Nick - he did not mention YOU. He said something like he had awarded his lowest score ever and had no idea what test was being performed - as in, it was that bad. Scores were then listed/posted and I guess someone put two and two together. Should he have said that in passing? Maybe not - but it was Not About You. Everything is Not A Plot Against You.

There is no “proof” he had it in for you as you seem to delightedly and erroneously insist - but if you keep going after hm and accusing him of that, it will only reflect badly on you… wow.

And you have repeatedly sneered and jeered at Charlotte “Hands” DuJardin (as you say) … and called her arrogant and selfish…

[Angela_Freda]

@Nickperonace2

I’d be happy to address your concerns one-on-one, you seem to be alittle misguided. please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

Oh no, I’m not misguided.
See, we did chat once, remember?
I declined your friend request, and you and your little friend then decided to make crap up about me, pretending to have known me when I worked at ISF…? Ooops.

Yeah, when I said then ‘your reputation precedes you’ back then… that still applies. Tenfold now.
I’m not contacting you… you can chat publicly or go fly a kite.

[ToN_Farm]

@Nickperonace2

Exactly! How many other horses did he see that day, yet my ride he picked to talk about? He shouldn’t have said anything at all, and I think it further proves he had it in for me. There’s other reasons and I’d be happy to discuss. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

Because it is rare to see any pair riding at 3rd level in a recognized show that is riding so over their level of competence. I’ve never seen one where the horse isn’t even on the bit.
I’m not excusing the judge’s comments because I don’t think he should have said anything. However, just goes to show what a bad impression you made on him that it stuck in his mind enough to mention it.

You’re not getting it, are you? Do you still think your mare is 3rd-4th level? If you do, that explains why nobody would want to work with you and why people poke fun at you. You will not find one single knowledgable dressage person that thinks that mare is 3rd level.

[Nickperonace2]

@Nestor

I forgot about the Charlotte attack! Googled it just to remind myself…

“Nick Peronace Dressage (facebook) is saying this about Charlotte: " We have riders in this country [USA] that ride like Charlotte and her garbage short rein, high arms, and over exaggerated style and they receive these medals.” “I have seen her [Charlotte] ride other horses and she is garbage on everything. I’ve watched her clinics on video. The advice she gives is so basic and simple yet everyone is like mystified by it. Its ridiculous! just feel like shaking people are hitting them or something. It’s so frustrating because she rides like crap and yet the advice she gives can be found in any half decent dressage book, written by any mediocre equestrian. It’s unbelievable the response that she gets! Oh and her arrogance at these clinics like as if God Himself is in the arena. There’s a clip somewhere where she’s giving a demo and the announcer comes on and says your time is up in two minutes. She mouths off at him and deliberately throws off the entire show schedule because she’s having a good time riding a horse. And of course everyone in the stands is laughing and condoning her rude terrible behavior. Like I said it’s like everyone’s under a spell or something.
She’s lucky, because if I competed and if I was one of those competitors, I’d have gladly gotten her out of that ring myself, and done it with a smile!”"

This is not an “attack”. You people really have an odd way with drama words.
My post about Charlotte is an observation of facts mixed with opinion.
A attack would be what you and everyone else has done to me( continuously posting and slandering. Page after page, thread after thread.) That is an attack. And just because you don’t agree with my opinion doesn’t make you right.
I’d be happy to discuss things further. Please email me at Contactnickpetonace@gmail.com

[Angela_Freda]

@WXWatcher

Nick, you posted the letter from Devon which clearly stated they were no longer going to present the trophy because you hadn’t paid the fee since its inception. OK, I guess that means you actually ended it since you made the decision not to pay for it.

Maybe get the Webster Definition for ‘inception’ to share, that may be where the misunderstanding is occurring?

[Nickperonace2]

@KittyinAus

I did find this funny. If NP thinks it’s so basic, why can’t he do it? Is it because he’s mystified?

I’d be happy to work with you one on one and demonstrate anything you’d like. Please contact me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

So when people say you ride like garbage, that is also a mix of fact and opinion, no more whining about persecution.

[Nickperonace2]

@netg

Oh, no. He was threatening people long before COTH called him out. I was one of those people, and the threat was fairly hilarious - he threatened my dressage career. I’m a CRAPPY amateur with no dressage career.

He has threatened others in far more terrifying ways since.

I don’t know who you are what your talking about. Sounds like I wouldn’t let you walk on me. We can discuss this further if you email me at Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Nickperonace2

Chevy Cup wasn’t removed. I ended it. I’ll be happy to talk more about this with you. I talk about it here:http://nickperonacedressage.blogspot…onace.html?m=1

If you still have questions feel free to contact me directly at Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

The letter is attached. Here is the contents, to clear this up once and for all. DEVON retired the cup because you wouldn’t pay for it. The trophy program is a donation on your part program. Its not an honor made to your horse by DaD. Its what you made, and you couldn’t even pay for it. Considering that, it was awfully generous of them to to engrave it, considering you never paid the fee, ever, yet showed up to get the advertising three years in a row.

Bolding mine.

Dear Mr. Peronace:

We would like to take a moment to thank you for your support of Dressage at Devon and to the riders competing on Non-warmbloods in FEI dressage. As part of the trophy program, Dressage at Devon asks that the trophy donors pay an annual fee, which you currently have not paid since the trophy’s inception. At this time, Dressage at Devon has made the decision to retire the Chevy’s Cup. Chevy’s Cup will not be presented at the 2016 show or at future Dressage at Devon events. Currently the trophy is being engraved and will be mailed to you at this address provided by you. We again thank you for your supoort!

Warm regards,

Laura Petrone
VP show operations

[Angela_Freda]

@Nickperonace2

This is not an “attack”. You people really have an odd way with drama words.
My post about Charlotte is an observation of facts mixed with opinion.
A attack would be what you and everyone else has done to me( continuously posting and slandering. Page after page, thread after thread.) That is an attack. And just because you don’t agree with my opinion doesn’t make you right.
I’d be happy to discuss things further. Please email me at Contactnickpetonace@gmail.com

Odd way with drama words?
Uh, back at ya’ there, toots.

And surely, as NSC LA wrote, if what you wrote is not an attack on Charlotte, then the comments about your riding, made by others is not either.
You can’t have it both ways in reality. Fantasy land, you can go nuts and trash Charlotte or Robert all you want while imagining your own unappreciated ‘art’… but reality? Not so much.

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@NSC Los Angeles

So when people say you ride like garbage, that is also a mix of fact and opinion, no more whining about persecution.

Exactly right. Just opinions, concerns and facts - and no persecution. If you replaced Charlotte’s name with Nick’s in that tirade - and yes, changed the pronouns - Nick would be howling about it being an attack and slander! Speaking of which - Nick, you really have an odd way with drama words.

There is no slander here.

Look it up.

[Angela_Freda]

@Ambitious Kate

The letter is attached. Here is the contents, to clear this up once and for all. DEVON retired the cup because you wouldn’t pay for it. The trophy program is a donation on your part program. Its not an honor made to your horse by DaD. Its what you made, and you couldn’t even pay for it. Considering that, it was awfully generous of them to to engrave it, considering you never paid the fee, ever, yet showed up to get the advertising three years in a row.

Bolding mine.

Dear Mr. Peronace:

We would like to take a moment to thank you for your support of Dressage at Devon and to the riders competing on Non-warmbloods in FEI dressage. As part of the trophy program, Dressage at Devon asks that the trophy donors pay an annual fee, which you currently have not paid since the trophy’s inception. At this time, Dressage at Devon has made the decision to retire the Chevy’s Cup. Chevy’s Cup will not be presented at the 2016 show or at future Dressage at Devon events. Currently the trophy is being engraved and will be mailed to you at this address provided by you. We again thank you for your supoort!

Warm regards,

Laura Petrone
VP show operations

For clarity sake
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inception

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Angela Freda

For clarity sake
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inception

Yes, I should have clarified the meaning of the word “INCEPTION”.

[Angela_Freda]

@Ambitious Kate

Yes, I should have clarified the meaning of the word “INCEPTION”.

Well, somewhere there’s a disconnect, so I went for the biggest word in the paragraph first, assuming the others could be easily understood by most elementary students without defining them… I could be wrong there though.

[Nickperonace2]

@Manni01

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Just to clarify… I did not change my mind about any of these train wreck threads and the people posting there…
[edit] IMO he should rather stay quiet and work on improving his riding (hopefully he is reading this…)
Because in the end thats the only thing which counts and he will get better scores with better riding and I even think he shouldn’t have big problems to improve if he works hard.
But on the other hand nobody deserves this [edit]

I appreciate the kind words.
Notice how Im encouraging people to email me their questions, yet not commenting much here? Thats because I know they have ZERO credibility and they wont email me. They prefer to talk behind my back and lies about me to eachother, rather then engage me for the truth. They feel strong cyberbulling in a wolf pack because they suffer from low self esteem. Do you really think even 1 of these people with a bogus screen name is going to book me for a lesson or clinic? Hahaha!! Absolutely not! They are afraid I’ll actually help them! Why do you think Im saying “bring your friends”? Its because I know the more people who actually experience my methods will get great results.
But these people are only concerned with continuing a hate campaign.
email me if youd like to discuss more contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Lovey]

Who would “book” someone who cannot tell a late change from a clean one, ridden or in photos or on video? What do you think that little problem does for your credibility as an educated dressage enthusiast, much less a trainer or rider? Also to your claims to prior FEI training success? Or maybe clean changes aren’t important to you? Please 'splain.

[Ambitious_Kate]

Sorry trying to get the pic to load too!

@Nickperonace2

Chevy Cup wasn’t removed. I ended it. I’ll be happy to talk more about this with you. I talk about it here:http://nickperonacedressage.blogspot…onace.html?m=1

If you still have questions feel free to contact me directly at Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

The letter is attached. Here is the contents, to clear this up once and for all. DEVON retired the cup because you wouldn’t pay for it. The trophy program is a donation on your part program. Its not an honor made to your horse by DaD. Its what you made, and you couldn’t even pay for it. Considering that, it was awfully generous of them to to engrave it, considering you never paid the fee, ever, yet showed up to get the advertising three years in a row.

Bolding mine.

Dear Mr. Peronace:

We would like to take a moment to thank you for your support of Dressage at Devon and to the riders competing on Non-warmbloods in FEI dressage. As part of the trophy program, Dressage at Devon asks that the trophy donors pay an annual fee, which you currently have not paid since the trophy’s inception. At this time, Dressage at Devon has made the decision to retire the Chevy’s Cup. Chevy’s Cup will not be presented at the 2016 show or at future Dressage at Devon events. Currently the trophy is being engraved and will be mailed to you at this address provided by you. We again thank you for your supoort!

Warm regards,

Laura Petrone
VP show operations [ATTACH=JSON]{“alt”:“Click image for larger version Name: NP.jpg Views: 2 Size: 46.8 KB ID: 9861839”,“data-align”:“none”,“data-attachmentid”:“9861839”,“data-size”:“full”}[/ATTACH]

[Nickperonace2]

@Angela Freda

He misses that it’s the picky, small, lower level work that is truly necessary to build the dressage horse an d human athletes. Boring to him, but so essential to the sport and art.

Actually I spend loads of time at the lower levels and develop the muscles. Please email me. I’d be happy to discuss contactnickperonace@gmail.com

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@BigMama1

We’ve all seen the pictures of those specific tests, so we all know why the scores were so low. Curious what he thinks a late change (ie movement not performed correctly) should be scored at?

The bizarre idea that dressage is somehow judged against other riders in the class is a headshaker, but serves to confirm again how little dressage knowledge this man has, despite putting himself out there as a professional.

The allegations of politics and corruption by multiple judges are ridiculous; honestly I can’t imagine any of them had ever heard of him before the show.

Since we know he reads these threads, let’s let NP know there is an easy way to solve this controversy - post a high quality, unedited video of him and Carpathia doing a Third Level test. Should be easy since she can do it blindfolded. Then the world can decide whether the problem is corrupt judges who don’t appreciate greatness when they see it, or a rider suffering from delusions of grandeur.

I would also strongly encourage NP to spend some time volunteering as a scribe at his local shows. It will give him far more insight into how and why judges award the marks they do.

Where are the pictures? I’ve been watching this unfold and am …baffled by the illogical comments, selective choices of posts on his blog, and am trying to figure if he really thinks he’s a good rider/horse person or if he’s joking.

Has anyone see the video of him ‘training’ his horse piaffe? I have watched many people train piaffe, none of which looked that way or, more so, none of their horses looked like a baby from the track. Is it me, or is his horse poorly muscled? I’ve just started working with a 4th level horse, and at over 20 yrs old, he’s WAY fitter/muscled than the horse he’s claiming is 4th level…

[Mara]

I think Nick has started on page 1 and is addressing selected posts. He has a way to go.

Perhaps Manni would like to email him.