Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

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@Windermere

And here is the purpose of third level, as taken from USDF 3-1:
To confirm that the horse demonstrates correct basics, and having begun to develop an uphill balance at Second Level, now demonstrates increased engagement, especially in the extended gaits. Transitions between collected, medium, and extended gaits should be well defined and performed with engagement. The horse should be reliably on the bit and show a greater degree of straigtness, bending, suppleness, throughness, balance and self carriage than at Second Level.

One of these horses is demonstrating self carriage, engagement, balance, and throughness. The other is not.

Thank you, Windermere. Your post was thoughtful, polite and explained very clearly what you were looking for. Sadly, your head was not even close to exploding. Did you not get that memo?

The only head that is exploding… is apparently Nick’s. Nick - can you not see that your little tirades are not helping you? “The truth hurts”? “Bottom dwellers”? Really? Discuss Windermere’s post and observations here calmly - like the dressage student and trainer you tell us you are… here is your chance to share and discuss instead of rant and rage…

[Gestalt]

@Smthn_Like_Olivia

We can discuss more if you email me at twistedlogic@bookknowledge.com

Freaking brilliant! :applause:

[SlabSided]

@Nickperonace2

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What I’m NOT GOING TO DO is continue to post here.
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I remind everyone that this is my one and only comment.

:lol::rolleyes::lol::rolleyes::lol::rolleyes::lol::rolleyes::lol::rolleyes:

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Just remember folks, this is the man who allegedly took people’s phone numbers and wrote highly sexual personal ads on Craigslist, with their phone numbers.
Pretty sure that the victim had the IP address tracked back to Nick…
So no, Nick, you aren’t getting my email.

[BigDarnHorse]

Another reason why no one wants to engage Nick Peronace in real life, he quite loudly attacked someone who did participate in his one and only clinic on his now scrubbed Facebook. After she posted the negatives from the clinic (the one where everyone ended up wanting a refund), he called her “a lying POS” and said that she changed her mind about the clinic “for reasons known only to her and her psychologist”.

Again, I’ve got the screenshots.

I would not call that professional behavior nor would I ever want to engage such a person in any manner.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Hi Nick, you probably don’t remember me, I was commenting on a page on “Blue Tongue Alumni” about two years ago and you were getting attacked from all sides. The offer I made then still stands today - if you want to clear your name you’re welcome to clinic at my boarding facility, assuming you are bonded and can provide that info to the owners. We have a wide selection of nice horses and riders from intro to GP. We’re a fun bunch, located in southern California. We can show an unedited, full length video of the day. I’m not sure if anyone would let you demo on any of their horses, I’d offer you mine but he’s a sensitive chap, might not be a good match. Shoot me some dates and we’ll try to put it together.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Also, just to clarify, I’m not offering you a paid opportunity, you’re the beneficiary here mate, not us.

[Ambitious_Kate]

And he wonders why no one wants to have anything to do with him, much less why no one will give him their email address. Nobody’s head is exploding over a man who can’t accept his scores for what they are and humbly compete in the same arena as everyone else without blowing up about people undermining him with the judges and judges who are corrupt. It isn’t riingside politics you are discussing, its bad sportsmanlike accusations that its everyone else’s fault but your own. You need to take responsibility for your performance in the ring, and not blame it on the judges not liking you or your horse.

[smoofox]

Great offer, NSC Los Angeles. I know I said the same thing on BTA. There ya go, Nick - your chance to shine. Unedited video. Your words. Your riding. You want a chance to “debunk” and prove yourself - here it is. Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak! I may come down and audit!

Ambitious Kate – to be fair, the judge may actually have had a personal grudge against me and my Quarter Horse on that day so long ago. When he bolted through the rails past F, he kicked out at a very lovely pot of red geraniums that became a guided missile and shattered against the front corner of the judge’s booth at C. The judge and scribe had to duck as dirt clumps and shards of clay pot went everywhere… and by the time I got my hyper-pony under control and trotted out of there the little bell was ringing madly from behind the counter.

I am fairly sure that when we came back for the next test (Medium), he mumbled… “aaah yes… big red horse, paddles on RF, wide crooked blaze, short rider who looks worried… DUCK!”

[Joanne]

The price will be too high for him to go to California. You have to pay for all his expenses and a “bit of padding” on top.

[BigMama1]

@Manni01

Some newspapers used to give persons who are subjects of an article the chance to clarify the situation in a personal statement.

When has COTH ever written an article about him? All COTH does is host this forum - they don’t create threads or suggest topics for discussion. The people discussing Nick are all right here, inviting him to join in the discussion and answer the questions that we have based on the “personal statements” he makes on his blog.

[Nickperonace2]

@caper

I think he has taken it a tad too far now stating judges are corrupt. You are being judged on your ride and NOT compared to others. Who are these back door folks talking to said judge? It never happened! He is delusional.

I have done many educate your eye clinics. My scores were very similar to the judge hosting the clinic. So will say this photos don’t lie. He had zero self-carriage or contact in his photos. Likely had no bend as his horse was often above the bit and star gazing.

There are really good pictures taken that day. I’ll be happy to share. Please email me at Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Nickperonace2]

@JenEM

That’s not even how classes are scored in other disciplines. You as a rider don’t always know that the judge in your Hunter trip is scoring you a 65 or a 70 or a 55, because they’re writing it on a score card you never see, but IME most judges use that system. And it’s against an ideal of what the round should look like in a perfect world, not that the best rider in the class is going to be a 100. The class still ends up pinned 70, 65, 55, just like dressage, you’re just not seeing a numeric score (unless it’s a classic and the score is announced).

Sure, placings are going to vary based on how everyone else scores, but barring something seriously weird, consistently getting similar scores, across multiple judges, that tells you something. Yeah, I’ve had a few comments on tests where I’m like “but the judge last week said the opposite!”, but overall, the scores have been within a 2-3% range all year, so I know we’re on track.

That’s where Dressage does vary from other disciplines, it’s not about the fact that a 62% is 2nd one week and 6th the next, it’s that you’ve got what is obviously consistency in scoring on the same test from judges from one week to the next, and rewards/achievements being based on that percentage, not on placings. Whereas with something like Hunters, you’ve got multiple, different courses every show and so many opportunities to mess things up with a late change or a swap in a line or a chip that all in and of themselves can majorly drop your score on any given course, that an average for the year of numerical scores would be worthless, though it’s useful in sorting individual classes.

Failure to understand how scoring works doesn’t mean it’s a conspiracy, it just means that there’s a learning opportunity that can either be taken or ignored. I have a feeling a lot of the “breed bias!” “color bias!” etc comments across multiple disciplines come out of a failure to understand how judges judge.

You seem to have some good questions. I’d be happy to discuss things and answer yoyr questions. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Nickperonace2]

@Mara

I’m still astonished by the elaborate yarn he’s woven to justify the (deservedly) low scores he received. I shouldn’t be, I know, as NP has a long history of dreaming up ridiculous and improbable defenses of his actions.

He actually thinks people will buy this fabrication??? Color me incredulous. . . .

I’d be happy to address your concerns. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Nickperonace2

You seem to have some good questions. I’d be happy to discuss things and answer yoyr questions. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

Are you being purposefully obtuse? She doesn’t have any questions. She’s educating you on how judging works in the dressage world, since you seem not to understand. There isn’t any opportunity for a judge to score you based on her personal feelings about you. Which a judge doesn’t have. They don’t know who you are when you ride. You know this, though. And no one is going to contact you by email. You must be fishing for people’s email addresses. You aren’t even making conversational sense.

[Nickperonace2]

@xQHDQ

I wouldn’t care much about this guy except he’s just around the corner from me. One of my casual friends just Facebook friended him - obviously she doesn’t know about him. He just hits too close to home.

Instead of slandering me(a trainer youve never worked with) seeing how you are so close, why not take me up on the offer to give you a lesson? You can be part of the problem or part of the solution. Wouldn’t it be better to actually work with me instead of bealiving lies said on COTH? Wouldnt you like to know the truth and judge for yourself? Please contact me. Lets set something up. Invite your friends! Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Nickperonace2]

@hoopoe

I will simply comment that I am disappointed in the judge commenting on Facebook about “the worst ride” That is an easy trace back and very unseemly. It may well have been ( though he never judged me ) but he should have had a little decorum.

Exactly! How many other horses did he see that day, yet my ride he picked to talk about? He shouldn’t have said anything at all, and I think it further proves he had it in for me. There’s other reasons and I’d be happy to discuss. Please email me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[BigMama1]

@BigDarnHorse

On his blog, from today:

"KNOW THE FACTS! BOYCOTT COTH!

People really need to understand how the hate campaign works. I’ve spoken out against the biased against me, and so the haters heads are exploding. In my post I don’t just talk about the bias against me but I talk about show ring politics in general. So interesting that they want to take what they want out of my article isn’t it? However for those who are truly interested to know the facts about me and my training abilities, here is an accurate representation. Feel free to contact me. I would love to work with anyone because I can easily back up any claim I make, and debunk any rumor!"

also from today:

"COTH AT IT AGAIN!!

I recently posted about the politics that exist in the show ring. Yet again the truth hurts and makes people’s heads explode, specifically those who stalk and our part of a hate campaign. So if you are part of the bottom dwellers who seek their information based off of The Chronicle of the Horse, you really need to read this and fully understand what you are subscribing to when you log on. "

Nick, can you explain why you recently deleted a discussion on your FB page, in which you first conversed with, then banned out of anger, and then you posted photos from the banned poster and made fun of her riding? I kept the screen shots. Surely you can understand that this is a pattern of behavior for you and that most of us don’t consider such behavior from you a way to calmly and courteously discuss things (as you are asking us to do now).

Oy. Nick you are really shooting yourself in the foot with these blog posts and with your behaviour on Facebook. If you really do have answers to all the questions, and can back up all your claims then do so. We are pleading with you to do so!

Make your Facebook page open to the public and address all your critics open and honestly, not by deleting their posts, attacking them and banning them. Share your videos and photos with the knowledgable people here and listen to what they are telling you about areas in which you and your horse need to improve if you want to move up from Training Level. Explain why you think she’s almost ready for FEI levels when the available photos and videos demonstrate they opposite.

Nobody is going to book a lesson or clinic with you without some hard evidence that you have more knowledge or skills than they have themselves. So far the blogs and photos you have posted do not provide any such proof.

So please, take advantage of this forum to address your critics, and back up your claims.

[Nickperonace2]

@Angela Freda

Well he also went after Robert Dover, Charlotte DuJardin and others… that will get you attention, of the wrong kind, as well.

None of that is true! These are blatant lies! I’d be happy to clarify for as to exactly what happened to you, or anyone else. I never attacked either of those riders. Please contact me at contactnickperonace@gmail.com

[Pocket_Pony]

Wow, just came back to this to find out I need POPCORN!!!

Too bad I don’t drink anymore, a margarita and some guac sounds pretty good right about now!

Gotta run and take a break to clean paddocks and bring the horses in and feed dinner, then back to the drama-board. :eek:

(And no, I don’t have anything better to do tonight after a busy weekend!)