Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

Well there you have it. I hit the reset button and welcomed a real conversation and a real chance to answer questions. What happened was the same old same old. You all went back to name calling, bashing and hating. This thread has proved several things

-There is definitely a hate campaign againt me.

  • The people on this hate page dont care about dressage, they just enjoy knocking people down.

  • This page is NOT to be taken seriously as its all lies and misinformation spread.

  • It gives me a really strong argument to further the theory of a conspiracy in terms of judge corruption.

  • No matter what I say or do, your lies, hate, rumors are going to continue.

So moving forward, if you hate me so much STOP TALKING ABOUT ME.
If you dont like my riding STOP TALKING ABOUT ME.
If you arenā€™t jealous and just want spread hate, lies and rumors, STOP TALKING ABOUT ME.
If you arenā€™t an obsessive sociopath, STOP TALKING ABOUT ME.
If there is no hate campaign or conspiracy, STOP TALKING ABOUT ME.

I didnā€™t open a thread here, YOU did and COTH allowed it. You guys waste an awful lot of time and energy into someone you hate so much. You guys sure do alot of talking for there not to be a hate campaign. Could have fooled me.

Anyone with real questions can email me Contactnickperonace@gmail.com

https://nickperonace1.wordpress.com/ā€¦bout-it-part2/

http://nickperonacedressage.blogspotā€¦onace.html?m=1

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Itā€™s interesting to point out that some trainers have had past injuries, thus they may not ride as aesthestically well as others. It doesnā€™t mean they canā€™t ride or teach. Iā€™ve know excellent riders who are poor teachers because they are used to ā€˜doingā€™ not ā€˜explainingā€™.

A real strong point in finding the right coach is a coach that can explain things to youā€“not just say ā€˜change your diagonalā€™ or ā€˜sit backā€™. Those are people I call ā€˜tellersā€™. Teachers/instructors impart new skills and knowledge and it takes a while to teach/have the rider understand feeling. Iā€™ve been teaching riders for 30 yrs, and some get the basics fast, but the more intermediate skills take far longer, because the feel of it is more subtle. I think one of the hardest things to teach is posting diagonals. If a teacher/coach canā€™t explain what a diagonal is, and how to change it without just saying ā€˜diagonal is wrongā€™, thatā€™s a bit of a concern. Same with leads and we move up and onward :wink:

A coach that constantly says ā€˜get off and let me do itā€™ is also a concern. Their job is to TEACH you, not do it FOR you. :slight_smile:

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Why do you not answer the perfectly reasonable questions people have asked?

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His answer to someone who posted a question to his blog:

  • NICKPERONACEBLOG I didn't "create" anything. I was victimized so I spoke up. A jealous nincompoop on COTH opened up a thread about it. THEY come to ME. I in turn debunk and discredit. They are the equivalent of "fake news" in the horse world. All I do is iron out the facts. No, I don't "just want to argue". I don't have the word welcome tattooed on my forehead like you might have. I don't allow myself to get walked on. I don't start trouble but I damn well finish it!
    If acting like a professional in your eyes means kissing everyone's ass and allowing them to slander me, well then I guess I'm not a professional according to you.
    Actually I can live with thatā€¦.
    

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  • SEPTEMBER 5, 2017 AT 11:19 PM

Honestly, no one would ever spend their time or money with Nick Peronace as it is evident from his personal behavior, his riding deficit, his online persona, etc. At this point, I hope this thread serves as documentation of his behavior.
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I heard Conrad Schumacher talking about abilities as a rider or instructor in an interview once. He said, just because you are a good rider wonā€™t make you a good instructor and vice versa. Good riders have good feel and good instructors have a good eye on the ground. He claims heā€™s a better instructor than a rider which is why he enjoys what he does. Although Iā€™d be willing to bet his riding is far from terrible and far better than mine could be!!:wink:

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Nick: What is stopping you from hosting a clinic yourself?

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We asked some perfectly valid questions. Nothing hateful there.

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You can create any number of free gmail accounts. Which can then be deleted at will. Just sayinā€¦

Iā€™d do it but Iā€™m not conversant enough in Dressage. Plus, Iā€™m only here for the popcorn. :smiley:

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And I am continually and genuinely puzzled as to why Nick thinks we are all jealous of himā€¦

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On the topic of how to pick a trainer - Lots of good posts have been made. I want to add some nervous ammy adult thoughts to the lists.

Pick an instructor/trainer that you know can teach you. It does not matter if the instructor is great for your friend who has a totally different riding style (brave versus nervous for example) and totally different way of learning. Every trainer is not right for every rider. I realize this is the dressage forum but I will toss out George Morris as an example. Some people love his no nonsense blunt, almost rude approach. Other people find it insulting and horrible. Neither side is wrong.

If you are a rider that does not find showing to be fun then it is probably best you pick a trainer that is OK with clients who are more about learning than showing.

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Itā€™s because he truly thinks highly of himself and his ability to ride and train. You can attach any kind of medical name to it you wish, but I think it must be grand to feel that way about yourself. He does not have any self esteem issues. Heā€™s probably happier with his riding than a lot of us.

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Not me. Not ever. I donā€™t actively compete, but I am passionate about dressage and learning. I get a high each and every time I accomplish something new. I get a high when I see my horse develop and grow stronger. For me, it would not be a journey OR fun if I was stuck in the same spot and just hailing myself as brilliant. The joy in it for me is not ribbons or trophies. Its achieving that communication with my horse and understanding the components that got me there.

I ride with a GP clinician several times a year. And at the end of our 2 or 3 days when he says something to the effect of, ā€œYou continue to surprise me with how much youā€™ve improvedā€, itā€™s like winning that championship blue ribbon. I simply love the dance.

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I think itā€™s sad.

He lives not to far from East Coast Dressage meccaā€¦ within an easy drive for him is Michael Barisone and his wife, or legends like Jessica R at Blue Hill, and so many others that are right. There.
What a fool to waste the easy proximity he is to those and so many other incredible talents.

I think that the thing that keeps NP from actually learning and achieving is fearā€¦ fear of going to one of these greats, buckling up and doing the hard work we each have done to learn.

And I think thatā€™s why he is actually very decidedly so unhappy he has to blame anyone and everyone else, and pretend heā€™s ā€˜all thatā€™ and that the reason he doesnā€™t have traditional success [ie scores and ribbons] is cause everyone is out to get himā€¦ itā€™s easier than doing the actual hard work, and humbling yourself to admit that you have so, so much to learn and just getting down to work.

Thatā€™s my opinion.

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Duh dude, donā€™t you get it yet? His knowledge and powers are so far beyond our abilities to comprehend heā€™s like living on a different plane of dressageā€¦ like a dressage Jedi masterā€¦ and weā€™re just a bunch of half- witted nerf herders lol.

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Well, we disagree, but thatā€™s ok. Itā€™s not ā€˜sadā€™ because he I believe is happy within himself. Why else would he sign up and compete at 4th level if he didnā€™t think he was up to the task? He truly believes he is doing advanced work. He puts up unflattering photos because he thinks they are nice. Even when the faults in the photos are pointed out to him, he fluffs it off and assumes those that comment are clueless. I donā€™t think he is the least fearful of taking a lesson from one of the greats. He probably doesnā€™t have money to do it (neither do I). He thinks he doesnā€™t need help. You think that is sad, and I think itā€™s just fine if he is happy within himself and I think he is. By all appearances he loves his wife and children and they love him. I think he lives a pretty happy life. Just my observation from the little Iā€™ve seen.

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Lovey - that photo! Priceless! Many chortles!!! Thank you for sharing.

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I truly think that would be A-OK if he were just doing it for himself, but heā€™s not. Heā€™s actively seeking students and advertising himself as a legit trainer. For someone wanting to actively compete and succeed, it could be crushing the first time they get in the ring with a real judge that tears down everything they thought they were doing right. Its not fair to beginners or people that donā€™t know any better and work hard to achieve that next level only to find out theyā€™ve been bamboozled.

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I did an article for Horse Sport awhile ago about coaches and how they help their riders, etc. In one part, I was interviewing a GP Dressage rider in my area (I interviewed a GP Dressage coach and rider, Advanced Level Event Coach/Rider and A Circuit Hunter/Jumper rider and coach for the article). For jumping, riders who wish to go above their skill are at risk of injury. But, as I spoke with the Dressage coach, she said that a coachā€™s job is to help instruct for a positive outcome, but that dressage isnā€™t a risk of safety if you compete at a level you are unsuitable for: all it will do is affect your confidence because judges can be very harsh if you are showing above yours and your horseā€™s riding level. I feel that is what is going on here, and NP, instead of accepting this critique, is feeling personally attacked and is reacting in such fashion. A rider like this will never progress and is , in my honest opinion, not someone I would wish to ride with. Being so narrow minded does not offer a lot of options to training, and horses donā€™t fit in a box. We have to think outside the box in regards to training. If I had to say, I would say his horse is Training Level, or a very nice hunter for the beginner divisions at schooling shows or whatever lower rated hunter shows they have in the US(under the A circuit). The horse is very pretty and seems like she has a sweet disposition.

I think people here are trying to continue to have a rational conversation with someone who has been attacked, shown he does not handle criticism well at allā€”so I would suggest you stop trying. Remove fuel from a fire, and the fire goes out.

I really feel this is all for publicity. Iā€™m sure the hits to his blog are through the roof.

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