Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[DoubleTwistedWire]

@BigDarnHorse

Ambitious Kate has already posted the screenshot of NP’s response to someone asking if he had permission to use the photographer’s photos. His response was just so outlandishly funny, I have to quote it (below). I know it’s redundant, but I just have to post it as well.

• NICKPERONACEBLOG Did the photographer ask my permission before they posted my picture on their website? No they didn't. Their watermark is also on each picture. I don't see a problem.

He must not have bothered to read the entry blanks he signed. Since I’m sure he’s still reading, this is the standard language from the USDF entry form (emphasis mine):

US Equestrian Federation, Inc. Entry Agreement I have read the United States Equestrian Federation, Inc. (the “Federation”) Entry Agreement (GR906.4) as printed in the Prize List for [insert name here] (“Competition”) and agree to all of its provisions. I understand and agree that by entering this Competition, I am subject to Federation Rules, the Prize List, and local rules of the competition. I agree to waive the right to the use of my photos at the competition, and agree that any actions against the Federation must be brought in New York State.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

To be fair those photos were a very solid example of a nice rider doing a training level test. The horse looks just off the track and was well ridden at the show.

[BigMama1]

@NSC Los Angeles

To be fair those photos were a very solid example of a nice rider doing a training level test. The horse looks just off the track and was well ridden at the show.

Absolutely, and that’s exactly what most of us here said when the photos were first posted after the show. It’s unfortunate the rider chooses to compete the mare at Third and Fourth Level, and believes she will be ready for FEI levels next year.

[GrandPridDudette]

Aww … I just came over to play and now Nick is gone??? But to reassure you folks, I know you all know this, he doesn’t answer any questions via email. I know. I sent him several. [edit] I have a really lovely private message from him where he threatens me. But the real gem in all of this was that lovely [edit] third and fourth level video at the last show.

-Bella

[Ambitious_Kate]

@DoubleTwistedWire

He must not have bothered to read the entry blanks he signed. Since I’m sure he’s still reading, this is the standard language from the USDF entry form (emphasis mine):

US Equestrian Federation, Inc. Entry Agreement I have read the United States Equestrian Federation, Inc. (the “Federation”) Entry Agreement (GR906.4) as printed in the Prize List for [insert name here] (“Competition”) and agree to all of its provisions. I understand and agree that by entering this Competition, I am subject to Federation Rules, the Prize List, and local rules of the competition. I agree to waive the right to the use of my photos at the competition, and agree that any actions against the Federation must be brought in New York State.

I wonder if he is legally obliged to obey the local rules of the competition, if there is any kind of provision that he can’t do anything illegal to any of their vendors, such as steal their photos without paying for them. It must be upwards of 200 dollars of photos he has on his blog. I think there are 7. Photos at 30 to 60 each, would be 2 to 300 dollars.

[Mara]

I think he’s posting comments on his own blog. I.e., pretty sure “Chris K” and “Erica J” are in fact Nick P.

Nick, the reason we’re addressing you by name here is BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU’RE LURKING.

[smoofox]

Yes - some of those comments are obviously Nick - the same spelling errors, the same phrasing, the same schtick… he has done this before and used alters and aliases to praise himself on assorted FB pages, blogs and forums. There is no need to do that… :no:

At least he did not delete the actual comments that were posted… yet.

[theresak]

I am not a current member of USDF or USEF, so they probably won’t care if they hear from me, but someone can send an email to amateurinquiry@usef.org asking about someone advertising for clinics and lessons (maybe with some screenshots from this thread and his blog) but showing as an AA (screenshots of the foxvillage scores).

If he continues to show, it would be better if he’s showing Open. If I were doing a quick search on an instructor/trainer, I’d probably look for show results as an Open rider and might not look at results under AA or might not be 100% sure I was looking at results for the same person.

[AnotherRound]

The thing I take away from all of this was how desperatly he didn’t want to address the concerns of the public and how desperate he was here on the board and now on his public blog, to deny problems and attract customers. Its all “ride under me and I’ll show you etc.” He’s just desperate to be SEEN as an accomplished trainer. He isn’t, and there isn’t anything about his profesisonal profile to make you think he is. He doesn’t even seem to care about that. He doesn’t care that he’s stolen over $200 of photographs from Paws and Rewind; he doesn’t care that he isnt interested in having insurance if he went to teach on another property; he didn’t care if he lied and promoted himself to be doing business out of a barn the owners never even heard of him, or that he stole someone’s logo and made up jackets and shirts with it saying they should be complimented; he really doesn’t care about his own professional image. He only cares if people show him love and devotion through emails and messages.

To that end, he writes himself accolades from pretend people on his blog, who say the kinds of things he says, people with no horses, who admire him as much as Baucher or Nuno (how do they know who they are?) and one recently who said he is a master! LOL

[AnotherRound]

@theresak

I am not a current member of USDF or USEF, so they probably won’t care if they hear from me, but someone can send an email to amateurinquiry@usef.org asking about someone advertising for clinics and lessons (maybe with some screenshots from this thread and his blog) but showing as an AA (screenshots of the foxvillage scores).

If he continues to show, it would be better if he’s showing Open. If I were doing a quick search on an instructor/trainer, I’d probably look for show results as an Open rider and might not look at results under AA or might not be 100% sure I was looking at results for the same person.

As far as I know, he showed that first show with two classes as AO, and when the management caught on to him, they made him show open in the second show.

[theresak]

@AnotherRound

As far as I know, he showed that first show with two classes as AO, and when the management caught on to him, they made him show open in the second show.

That’s good. Can someone do a USEF and USDF member search and see if he is a Professional/Open member of both of those organizations as well?

[gailbyrd]

@theresak

That’s good. Can someone do a USEF and USDF member search and see if he is a Professional/Open member of both of those organizations as well?

If USEF/USDF is as diligent on making professionals pay a fine for being listed as AA at a show as they use to be, he will be fined by USEF/USDF (not sure which org has the fining power). Several years ago my trainer (and a couple of other trainers) was/were listed as an AA(s) by show management (she/they didn’t sign up as AA’s) but she/they still had to pay the fine. Was on the individual to notice the error and have show management make the change before the show.

[Crockpot]

oh my god- this thread says much more about many here than it does about this very unimportant person

ducking for incoming

I said I would not be driven off this thread but I was wrong.- i was driven off for a while

I dont defend this person but this is just sick- look at yourselves [edit]

and the braids- dont forget the braids!! gak\

[Laurierace]

He should be fined more for impersonating a professional than competing as an amateur in my opinion.

[SendenHorse]

manni are you still on Nick’s side? Maybe now you see what we are talking about?

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[Dr_Doolittle]

Um, silly questions, but can someone be considered a “pro” if they have never received any sort of compensation??

I’m wondering about this in light of his attempt to fly under the radar as an ammy while ADVERTISING himself as a trainer - but has he ever been PAID (by anyone!) for training or teaching?

Inquiring minds want to know.

And if so, I would love to talk to someone who has taken lessons from him. :eek: IIRC, didn’t he do a clinic a few years ago where everyone demanded a refund?

I know he got out of the “training biz” for awhile, but now seems to be furiously pitching his services (cough) again.

The level of delusion in this one is just, well…astonishing.

[Equibrit]

The guy needs a psychiatrist; leave the poor fool to his strange machinations. All you do here is feed a warped ego.

[Crockpot]

@Equibrit

The guy needs a psychiatrist; leave the poor fool to his strange machinations. All you do here is feed a warped ego.

right- we dont always agree but - yes

[trubandloki]

@Dr. Doolittle

Um, silly questions, but can someone be considered a “pro” if they have never received any sort of compensation??

I’m wondering about this in light of his attempt to fly under the radar as an ammy while ADVERTISING himself as a trainer - but has he ever been PAID (by anyone!) for training or teaching?

I thought the ammy rule was changed to include advertising for pay means you are not an ammy.

This makes it so people who insist they are an ammy, but have ads all over the place for training, coaching, and clinics can not turn around and say they were not paid so they are truly an ammy.