You weren’t driven off the thread you decided not to read it. You can always decide that again. Hahaha! It’s easier that posting a [edit] scolding to people who post things you don’t like to read.
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Well he got paid for the one clinic, but then had to refund the particpants money iirc?
So, … hmmmm…
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BO/BM refunded the participants, I think. From what I remember, Nick didn’t reimburse her.
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Ah, gotcha.
Angela - this must be the explanation ^ ^ ^ - because, yeah…
Yikes. I can’t even imagine teaching a clinic and having every student demand a refund. I think I would be seriously soul-searching at that point, and either: getting out of the “teaching” business and into the “learning” business, or going back to jump street and working hard at educating myself on the basics. Not everyone can be a trainer; more skill is required than what it takes to read books and learn on your own - you MUST be open to scrutiny and feedback from good trainers and judges. In order to TEACH effectively and well, one must be a student - of everything. It also requires a good eye, flexibility, sympathy, a sense of humor, a deep toolbox, and superior communication skills.
I am low- level eventing trainer and coach, and am open-minded and continuously improving my knowledge base; it’s only fair to my students that I continue to be a student! even after many decades in horses 
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Yeesh. :rolleyes:
And are we surprised?
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yeah- geeze I know it sucks for you but I can have an opinion too
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In this case, I have to support part of Crockpot’s point. Continue to talk about the inflated credentials, the false connections, the pattern of fraudulent behavior, the bullying and attacking, teaching without insurance, stealing photographs - that’s justifiable and has value to the riding community.
Poking fun at the braid job makes this sound like a bunch of middle school mean girls. Not justifiable, no value to the riding community. Same thing with complaining about his showing as an amateur. Okay, I guess you can argue that it’s part of the pattern of “rules don’t apply to me” behavior or cluelessness about showing, but It feels more like “Gothcha again!”
Does anyone really care that he’s showing as an amateur? Why? Is anyone worried about showing against him in the AO divisions?
Back in my early 20s when I taught up-downers and exercised a few field hunters and was told I had to show in the open divisions because I was a professional I thought it was enormously funny. And a little flattering. I mean, I didn’t think Betty Oare and Mary Lisa Nicholson were worried about the competition from me, but maybe somebody was!
Focus on things that the rest of the riding community has a legitimate need to know about and be warned about. Forget about the rest. Otherwise we’re perilously close to stooping to his level.
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A little reminder [edit] of what Mod 1 told us about this thread specifically, [edit]
If you are coming onto the thread to disrupt, Crockpot, please don’t. The topic of the thread is Nick Peronace’s disregard and disrespect for judges, photographers, liability insurance and other requirements of the job he claims he does, and how that affects the people he wants to do buisiness with. if you can’t contribute, please see the Mod about it [edit].
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Yes - I DO care. These are USEF rules we ALL have to follow, and whether its funny to you or not, professionals have a very specific definitions, and we all have to follow those rules. Nick is not an ammy owner. He claims he doesn’t even own this horse, he’s training it for a client, so yes, if I can get fined or kicked out for not obeying the rules, he has to too, and so do you.
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If you are coming onto the thread to disrupt, Crockpot, please don’t.
??? Are you a moderator now- I thought we were allowed to have different opinions?
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AnotherRound,
Did it chap my butt when people with more resources and better claims to being professionals showed in the ammys while I stuck it out in the open divisions? Sure it did. And if I had to play the rules, they should too. But the reason for the rule is to prevent unfair competition. It’s not fair that a professional that devotes all their time to their riding competes against a weekend rider. That’s the spirit of the rule. Is anybody seriously worried about competition from this guy? Really?
To be clear, I am NOT defending him, because I do think he’s a dangerous charlatan. But with the rich array of distasteful, fraudulent and delusional behavior he’s displayed, why focus on the fact that he showed as a amateur? Or, god forbid, the braids?
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Neither the braids or the amateur status are/were of any importance whatsoever - and IMO there was no need to “go there”. The show management can deal with any Amateur issues - and braids are a learning curve… not everyone can afford to pay the awesome braiders to have their horse done and showing is still a very new thing for NP.
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No one has to really worry when he’s in your class, but it’s still fraud. I think there are much biggest issues, like going after the judges. I’m so glad he posted here- so those who are not familiar can see how he acts and understand his lack of logic- new and current exchanges.
I’ve seen these same posts, almost word for word, from him for 5 yrs now on different forums
Don’t think COTH has the market cornered on NP! Ha! no way.
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I care because I want people who might be researching him to take lessons, etc. to find all of his scores and memberships as easily as possible. Someone might think there is another person with the same name showing as an amateur and disregard those scores.
It’s cheating the system to advertise riding/training/instructing (and get paid) and show as an AA. I’d love to be able to accept money for hopping on a fellow boarder’s horse who keeps darting out of the arena or giving a lesson here and there. But I can’t accept money, so I don’t advertise, get paid for riding, or give lessons.
If I have to stick to the letter of the AA rules, so does everyone else. You can’t pick and choose who has to comply with the rules just because they are a terrible rider or not a good person.
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A 27 page thread- and I have not posted since page three until today
but according to Another Round I am trolling the thread. lol. Report me if you believe that.;
Last warning to ALL to avoid personal commentary and post within our policies. That includes calling other trolls, making comments about each other’s mental health, etc. Further issues will be handled individually and directly, regardless of what “side” of a discussion a user falls on.
Mod 1
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and yet this gets left up- I posted nothing to disrupt- just posted a different opinion.
f you are coming onto the thread to disrupt, Crockpot, please don’t
@McGurk I agree with you on the braids (which I already posted).
I do not agree on the ammy status thing.
I think him, or any other professional, showing as an ammy is something people thinking of hiring him should know about. People should know if the trainer they are thinking of using is a trainer who bends the rules or are a trainer who follows the rules.
Do I think NP and lots of other people are good enough to be a pro? Certainly not, but that is not how the rules are written and if you have chosen to show you need to follow the designated rules.
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theresak,
But here’s the thing. There’s minding my own ethics, and there’s minding someone else’s. I showed in the open divisions, and I never sent a phony pony into the pony divisions. Did I know of some shamateurs and honys? Sure. Everybody does. But I choose to focus my energy on myself, my horses and students. If other people cheat, that was on them. And if it affected another competitor, and they wanted to pay the fee to protest, that was fine. (For the record, I have no idea if protesting someone’s ammy status is like protesting a pony’s measurement.) I just decided it was more beneficial to focus on improving me and mine rather than on someone else’s cheating. If it had a DIRECT impact on me, like the hony beat out my legit pony that measured in a class, I would have considered spending the money and protesting.
Focusing on the braids and the amateur status when it doesn’t directly affect us makes this looks petty and vindictive.
I don’t want it to be perceived as petty and vindictive, because I want the important stuff - the fraud, the deception, the lies, the stalking and the bullying to be seen for what they are.
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I did not post on this thread after page 3 until today-at page 27.
Not trolling the thread. obviously. Nothing trollish posted.
since this personal comment directed at me was not deleted I guess it must be OK for me to respond
Another Round- Ambitious kate( not a moderator) :
If you are coming onto the thread to disrupt, Crockpot, please don’t.
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