Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

I did not realize that there was a page criteria for trolling, that can be my new learning for today…

I don’t want it to be perceived as petty and vindictive, because I want the important stuff - the fraud, the deception, the lies, the stalking and the bullying to be seen for what they are.

This, concentrate on the important stuff

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You (g) are turning a blind eye to someone cheating if they are competing in the wrong division, which is a short jaunt to turning a blind eye to drugging, excessive lunging, etc. All of these things reflect on our sport as a whole, which brings all competitors and riders under fire for not caring about horse welfare. Cheating in any form should be called out, and if we have a formal process through the USEF or other organization to review and punish cheaters, I think we should use it.

If he just competed as an AA (which was caught by the show secretary and corrected), no big deal since it’s been recognized and fixed. Since I’m not a current member, I can’t do a member search in USEF and USDF, which is where I’d like to check if his membership is under the AA or Open status.

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has anyone called him out? has anyone approached USEF about the judges harassment? (possibly someone at the show?)
Lots of talk, enough talk- ACTION!

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what did I post that could be considered trolling- :confused:

Point being- because I disagreed with the mob was accused of trolling the thread - even though have not participated since page 3 until today –

and still have not said anything trollish!!!

gaKKKK

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theresak, trubandloki, and others -

We can agree to disagree about the relative importance of reporting a shamateur. I can respect that people have different but equally valid responses to that. I don’t have a lot of passion that topic, but I can respect that others do.

Where I would like to find consensus is focusing on the bigger, more important stuff, like accusing judges of collusion, inflating credentials, lying about connections and attacking detractors and being as credible as possible while doing so.

ETA: Oh, and smoofox for president.

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He has left some of my comments up and selectively deleted others. You’re not seeing everything, not by a long shot. He has not responded to the email I sent.

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smoofox has seriously impressed me with her cool-headed, logical, well-composed contributions. She’s an excellent writer. I want to learn from her!!!

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Sure you can.

http://www.eqverification.org/

He is not an active USEF member and that’s where you declare amateur status - so the show secretary goofed allowing him to be listed as an amateur in the first place.

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I bet to differ re: the amateur status. At best he hasn’t bothered to educate himself on the rules, and at worst he thinks himself above the rules. Stuff like that really chaps my amateur a$$.

The braids…concur. Now we’re just being snarky for snark’s sake.

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Focusing on the braids and the amateur status when it doesn’t directly affect us makes this looks petty and vindictive.

yes and a lot of other stuff posted says that too. Of course I must be a troll just trying to disrupt the thread for even suggesting that apparently. :wink:

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Let’s face it most of us would take a severe look at ourselves under those circumstances, and also if we were consistently low scoring under qualified judges. Paraphrasing Lady Bracknell one may count as a misfortune, two smacks of carelessness.

Speaking for myself I’ve also scored a 43% in a competition under a qualified judge, partly due to the fact that my mare had a total melt down in a new arena and partly due to my inability to handle said mare in the middle of said melt down. There were some good moments and had the test been judged purely on the quality of the paces and acceptance of the bit in between the transitions and the shying I’m sure we would have scored in the upper 60’s LOL. However instead of coming out of the arena and berating the judge for her incompetence or bias, I accepted her comments, pulled myself together and later that day under the same judge in the same arena but with a harder test managed to improve my score by nearly 20%.

If I had an ego that wouldn’t let me countenance my being at fault in any way, shape or form, I would not have been able to make that improvement. I would have looked to place the blame outside of myself and in doing so would not have been able to make any changes.

Anyway to bring this back on point, some people’s egos will simply not permit them to countenance themselves being in the wrong, they’ll look to blame anybody but themselves for the circumstances they find themselves under. The problem nowadays is that attacks on judges etc are now permanently recorded on the interwebz, and whereas an individual may recant and withdraw an accusation, once it’s picked up by thread like these it means their position is more likely to become entrenched as they try to defend their attitude and maintain their ego.

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Please everyone do not get this thread closed.

When is his next clinic and can I try out x there? Does the security guard do a body search for body cam? Can I live stream my own test to Coth forum? (I was once in a video ad by a lesson instructor for the sale on a nice old english tb she was selling and I did get that mare collected.) I think I can afford the clinic fees. I have enough money to… So where’s the next clinic?
somebody will have to braid the mare for me. I’m not taking one of my horses.

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I disagree.

The braids are a simple, easy example of his lack of interest in details.
Horse care and Dressage is ALL about details, if you ask me.
Noticing details means your horse gets attend to the minute it appears a little off… rather than waiting until you finally notice when it’s 3 legged lame.
Noticing details means you see that they have not cleaned up their grain and they see the Vet for colic or ulcers earlier rather than later.

Details are something all the best trainers [and grooms and riders] I know of are hyper aware of.

Braids are easy to learn, and something that you do not have to have $$$ or invest $$$ in, in order to do them well.
Practice, practice, practice… it’s really that easy.
If you don’t at least care to have a neat, tidy presentation, well that will reflect on your professionalism.

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When is his next clinic and where?

Laugh!
I wish!
I have tried and tried and tried to get good at braiding.

But since I suck at it, I have someone else do it.

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Its a sign of caring. You care about the presentation you are making. Its like him riding with rein stops for a running martingale in a third and fourth level class. It signals to the judge that you use a martingale. someone here mentioned that her trainer cut those off a student who showed up with rrein stops on new reins at a show for that reason. Its like he doesn’t care that he’s stealing someone’s photos for his website, stealing someone’s logo they paid good money to have developed, using someone’s barn address for his business address. His braids are a mess because he doesn’t care to learn how to do them well, and make a neat presentation. It shows respect for the judge when you appear neat and tidy, including your horse. The fact that he doesn’t on so many levels tells about the kinds of details he’s willing to skip and speaks to the quality fo personyou want training your horse.

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True enough, Another Round - but in this case I just felt there were more important things to discuss instead of braids.

But turnout is a good indicator of one’s attention to detail.

I used to be a good braider - and can pull manes quickly and smoothly - or, in some cases, razor them with a clipper blade for the same effect for those horses who hated pulling with a passion.

Several broken fingers later (let go of the reins when you are coming off at speed, folks!) I can no longer braid at all - cramping, stiff fingers do not permit it. That chore goes to those who can still do it - and do it well.

I am paranoid about those details - every keeper used, plain cavessons with no flash loop if you are not riding with the flash, correct saddle and pads for the occasion, no stops, no long ends of stirrup leathers flapping, everything fastened down and tucked where it should be, clipping done well, ears tidied up, clean tack - the list goes on and on…

And thanks for the nomination for President but I must defer… :wink: … my energetic border terrier would wreak havoc zooming up and down the hallways in the WH and insisting that assorted heads of state throw her chuck-it ball…

Plus - no horses. Even though Caroline Kennedy had a pony on the WH grounds, I doubt that would be allowed now. Would it be considered tacky to set up a dressage ring on the lawn?

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There isn’t one that I’m aware of. He keeps asking for everyone to sign up for one, but he hasn’t taken the initiative to set one up and host it himself.

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I believe there is a screen shot earlier in the thread of something he posted in his blog about not having proper insurance so he can not host them where he boards.
That means he has to have someone agree to host a clinic before he can have one.

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He isn’t going to get anyone to host a clinic for him if he doesn’t have his own liability insurance. I certainly wouldn’t let a clinician come onto my property and ride people’s horses and teach others on horses without insurance!! Bet that guy at his recent barn who was going to let him bring people in to board and train didn’t know he was planning on having people come onto the property without having being insured!

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