Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[pictureonemore]

[I]Just now, on Nick Peronace!s Facebook (and I’m quoting):

"The link isn’t going to work anymore I had to delete it. The hateful fake news Chronicle members contacted the photographer of these pictures. The photographer complained to my blog host and so had them removed. I didnt delete them because the photographer never asked my permission to post them on their webpage so I just figured fair was fair. So now I’m going to complain to their web host about my picture on their website (see how ridiculous and childish this is getting).

The bottom line is, is that they reported fake news about me and wouldn’t show good photographs. They want people to believe they’re not out there, when clearly they are. And then when they saw I called them out on their lies, they fought like hell so they can continue to only show people what they want you to see! It’s a hate campaign.

I’ve said this before and I will say it again, anything you read about me on the chronicle is an absolute lie. If you want the truth come directly to me."[/I]

Nick, that’s not how this works. It’s not how any of this works. Those photos are the photographer’s property, not yours. It doesn’t matter that they’re of you and your horse. She took them, therefore, they belong to her. You must pay for them. Period.

[HorsefaceDee]

wow. just wow. Nick, those photos DO NOT BELONG TO YOU. Read your entry form(which you signed over your consent to have those pics taken and posted) and have respect for hard working professionals unlike yourself. If you think they are so great, BUY THEM. it’s not rocket science, really. It’s STEALING to use them otherwise. duh.

[WXWatcher]

I won’t go into actual specifics but the idea is here :). It doesn’t really matter what type of ring in which a person shows. Where I first learned to ride, the owner was a retired cavalry officer…tough as they come and scared the living bejeezum out of 11 yr old girls with his stern demeanor, yet, some of his words have stayed with me throughout this equine adventure.

The first, you learn to care for the horse before you learn to ride…as the very FIRST thing we learned was how to properly clean a stall, then to groom, before we ever stepped up into the irons.

The next, have respect for your horse and for the judge; there is no excuse for poor presentation. The old adage of first impressions holds true in all things. Show a horse not properly groomed or not neatly presented, dirty/unkempt tack and/or a rider who is sloppily dressed (as in didn’t put in any effort to put in a neat appearance) and that first impression is usually not as good as it could have been. Poor grooming, poor presentation of horse and/or rider, shows a basic lack of respect for the judge, the horse and the rider.

Any clinic I have audited, the horses are always show ready. Tails are clean and brushed, some braid and some don’t but it can be a little more relaxed; equipment, boots, clothing is show ready even if not 100% show proper (wearing a polo short vice a shirt and jacket). It is respect for the clinician and presents the horse in a respectful light.

[Lovey]

? :eek:

that they reported fake news about me and wouldn’t show good photographs. They want people to believe they’re not out there, when clearly they are. And then when they saw I called them out on their lies, they fought like hell so they can continue to only show people what they want you to see! It’s a hate campaign.

Is he implying that the show photographer selectively edited the photos before putting them up for sale on her site? Because he believes she was in on the “conspiracy” or just to eff with a potential customer? Yikes the ego on him is staggering. It seemed to me she was perhaps being quite tactful, including far more fluffy head shots and loose rein pics in his series than I otherwise observed when looking at other riders’ photos.

[KBC]

@BigDarnHorse

That is still stealing. Do you understand?

http://youtu.be/s6EaoPMANQM?t=58s

[WXWatcher]

@Lovey

? :eek:

Is he implying that the show photographer selectively edited the photos before putting them up for sale on her site? Because he believes she was in on the “conspiracy” or just to eff with a potential customer? Yikes the ego on him is staggering. It seemed to me she was perhaps being quite tactful, including far more fluffy head shots and loose rein pics in his series than I otherwise observed when looking at other riders’ photos.

Honestly, I think he was referring to the naysayers. Saying they didn’t want “good” pictures of him posted so they complained to the photographer. Nick is far from clear in his writing but he’s been doing it so poorly for so long we have kind of gotten used to the interpretation :)…that is scary actually.

[Lovey]

Ah, ok. That makes sense. WE are the haters.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Oy vey. For the last time, I’m not paying your travel costs because I don’t believe you have anything to offer me or my team. If you want an OPPORTUNITY to show off your skills and clear your name, I was offering you a venue and completely unedited, end-to-end videography in which to do so. If you ever get bonded, the offer still stands, but I won’t hold my breath.

Also, I look forward to your answer to that woman who asked you about the snakey necked horse. That’s an easy one, even for an ammy like me. I look forward to your response.

[BigMama1]

I think he means us. For some reason he thinks we didn’t see any of the good photos, and doesn’t seem to understand that we saw them and feel they are not “good,” given they are from a Third Level test.

[Unfforgettable]

Nick, do you by chance have a friend or relative that also rides and lives in Utah? Does the name Allan Buck ring any bells?

[arabhorse2]

@Unfforgettable

Nick, do you by chance have a friend or relative that also rides and lives in Utah? Does the name Allan Buck ring any bells?

:lol: Omigawd, who can forget the ‘good’ Reverend Buck!!!

[KBC]

If you are still reading Nick, I have a question about this question and answer for your interview.

Q: Your critics have pointed out that at your first 4th Level show you scored a 75%, yet your second you scored in the 40’s. They seem to really harp and berate you about the low score. Why do you think this is?

A: Carpathia scored a 75% at home. It was also a musical freestyle and a schooling show. The second show was at a horse park and USDF recognized. She was clearly distracted! Half the time it felt like she was going to jump in the judges box! But as she attends more shows she will get more comfortable with her surroundings. This is the difference between a good trainer and a bad trainer. The good trainer understands that things happen and horses are unpredictable. They understand that with time, things will improve. The bad trainer goes online to pick apart pictures and scores because they’ve never been there themselves! Or they HAVE been there, but it makes them feel powerful to pick on someone. Cyber bullies basically.

As to the bolded this sounds totally sensible and reasonable, a good trainer certainly will understand that horses are unpredictable, that they will improve etc. When that trainer then goes on to start shouting about biased judging, then you lose the credibility. The bad trainer blames the judge, goes online to try and argue that they are being picked on.

YOU have the answer, you gave it yourself, it’s there in the bold…

[Joanne]

Nick wrote: “A: Carpathia scored a 75% at home. It was also a musical freestyle and a schooling show.”

He forgot to mention who judged that schooling show. :lol:

[KBC]

Now I have more questions, all quotes from your interview…

But these people heard me announce in 2016, that by 2017 Carpathia will be competing at 3rd and 4th level. That would mean that I’m able to achieve in one year what would take them three or four.

Do you not understand that Dressage is not a race, it takes that long to move up because the horse has to be built up physically and mentally to reach those levels? Makes you a bad trainer, who disregards the well being of your horse.

Why haven’t you competed at a recognized show until 2017?
A: I have always been more focused on Dressage as “ART”. With “SPORT”, often the horse isn’t moving correctly yet receiving high scores. Most of the riders are all garbage, yet they don’t get marked down

Why do you say that, by what criteria do you say MOST riders are garbage? That is totally rude to the sport that you decided to compete in. Publicly sharing views like that you wonder why you attract some negative feedback.

It’s important to point out that these are people WHO-HAVE-NEVER-WORKED-WITH-ME.

Yet you will not work with anyone that offers you an opportunity?

Q: What do you have to say about the obvious hate campaign against you?
A: These people have a hateful agenda that is deep rooted in jealousy. I was able to train (largely self-train) my Appaloosa Quarter Horse to Grand Prix when I was only 17. Their heads exploded with jealousy when they learned this about me. They see pictures of me riding in lightness they will never be able to achieve. Most of them are old ladies struggling at Training Level, or a teenager who rides hunter-jumpers who wouldn’t know the first thing about dressage anyway! And then there are also the lonely internet trolls.

I have to wonder who fuels the hate here, no one, NOT ONE person posting here is jealous of you Nick, not one.

I have never seen a picture of you riding in lightness that I would want to emulate.

I am an old lady, ROCKING training level, and now getting solid at first, again, not a race, I had to start my horse at walk trot, this year training, next year first, and start schooling some second, maybe.

You do know hunters and jumpers are different? and actually every teenager at my barn, be they hunter or jumper has to take dressage lessons until they reach a certain level, they understand only too well.

I have no idea how many trolls are here, less than the average board I would say.

[caper]

Not to mention if he is at a real show you have to qualify to get to do the freestyle. Example a qualifying score at 4th level. Is that qualifying score 60%? He’d never get to show the freestyle with his low scores to date.

That little up/down schooling show was just that. I viewed the photos and there was truly no 4th level work. Your horse has potential but you are too close-minded to not see what we see. Why not send in one of your vid and get an official critique from a profession trainer you respect. Some do it for a fee. It might be beneficial for you. Someone your respect and unbiased.

Can I suggest you attend some shows to spectate the upper levels or go to youtube and watch just what it should look like. Read the directive on the test sheet. I showed a TB and had success but it doesn’t come without hard work and a coach/ground person to have eyes on you to check your work. When I was finally ready to move up I went with an FEI coach/rider and we just soared in our training and through the levels. I did show but never got to show off our 4th level work because we moved to our own farm. That limited my budget and the venues were just too far. Although, those memories of the training success have stayed with me.

[WXWatcher]

Actually, I am still waiting for his standard go to excuse when he realizes he can’t really argue the questions or criticism…it is just a matter of time.

[smoofox]

You mean, the tried and true… “I was hacked!!!” excuse that has been used far too many times? Or maybe “my friend/my publicist posted that - not me”…

Nick - instead of hoisting yourself by your own petard (over and over again) just enjoy the riding. Enjoy your hobby instead of turning everything into an angry tirade with that giant chip on your shoulder weighing you down. Stop seeing conspiracies and campaigns around every corner - they are not there. Stop trying to accelerate the training - it all takes time, conditioning and understanding. No short cuts. Work on your presentation and equitation. Work on the basic dressage triangle - rhythm >> relaxation >> connection >> impulsion >> straightness >> collection - even though I am sure you have decided it is inadequate and incorrect in some way.

Do a schooling show at Training level for fun - and you will get the scores you feel you deserve… and work up the levels slowly. There is nothing wrong with that. You don’t go from Training to 3L to Pricks Street Gorgeous (as a cowboy friend liked to call Prix St. Georges) in a rush - it is all about time, the dance and the journey, not the destination.

[WXWatcher]

@smoofox

You mean, the tried and true… “I was hacked!!!” excuse that has been used far too many times? Or maybe “my friend/my publicist posted that - not me”…

Here I thought I was being sneaky

[BigDarnHorse]

The photos that he has knowingly stolen are still up on his Facebook. He is going to “sue” COTH and “take it” to the Pennsylvania Surpreme Court. His latest post:

I threatened to sue them again and this time if I lose I’m going to appeal all the way to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. Cyberbullying is such a serious issue. Websites…HATE SITES like the chronicle, must be exposed!

[Joanne]

^^^^ :eek:

I think if the photographer contacts Facebook, they will take the pics down.