[QUOTE=horseladi78;6144541]
Love Me True is a bay gelding, barn name Elvis. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I can’t remember if the horse I am thinking of is a mare of gelding but I am pretty sure it was a mare. Is this horse with Josh’s associate/partner/friend/boss thing?
[QUOTE=skydy;6144256]
JB that is awful.[/QUOTE]
ya know JB’s true tale of how her horse was returned to her makes me even more convinced these two do not deserve a second chance. i usually am willing to give the benefit of the doubt…NOT this time. I am so so sorry for your loss JB. i don’t care how much jail time or how $$$$ these two have served and paid. NO amount of jail time will ever be enough.
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Hopefully they will re-read charge number 60 in the Indictment.[/QUOTE]
Was charge number 60 the one where they threatened to kill a mom and her daughter?
[QUOTE=JackieBlue;6144117]
Maybe they did kill horses, who knows. As I stated earlier, they left mine in a stall, no turn out, no exercise, no grooming, no farrier or vet care, and apparently no or very little feed based on his body condition when we “repo-ed” him. And not only did he come home so aggressive toward humans that he was a danger to himself and those trying to help him, but he also came home with a bizarre, profound, panicky fear of dogs. Soon after he had begun to revert to his old, loveable pre-Josh self, I was hacking him out when he was set upon by 3 Border Terriers. They were out for a walk, off leash, with their elderly owner and saw the horse as a fun target. They came running toward him, barking and even though they didn’t collectively weigh even 30 pounds, my horse went into abject panic mode. He stood straight up on his hind legs, at which point I saw fit to bail (17.2 hand warmblood literally standing upright like an angry bear! :eek:). Before I could even begin to comfort him or run off the dogs he stood upright again, hopped backwards on his hind legs, spun and bolted, ripping the reins out of my hands. He proceeded to run blindly on, the three yapping terrors hot on his heels, until he ran at full speed into a high tensile wire fence. Hitting the fence with excessive speed caused him to fly up in the air and come crashing down on the far side flat on his back and my saddle. He got up, obviously shaken and disoriented and continued to run until he ran down the neighbor’s barn aisle and she was able to stop him and keep him still until I caught up. He was a bloody, shaking, lather covered mess and I was nearly hysterical. After an entire afternoon of doctoring and stitching I thought the whole fiasco, as horrific as it was, was behind us. But it wasn’t. A few days later, he colicked. Badly. THROWING himself on the ground and literally screaming in pain. Long story short - he went to surgery. The surgeon said it looked as if someone had gone at his innards with a hand mixer. Nothing was where it belonged and when I related the dog-chasing-fence-flipping story we agreed that it had to be to blame. The surgeon put him back together as best he could and he seemed to be healing well at home for about 2 weeks. Until he colicked again. Even worse. We couldn’t put him down fast enough. And he left this world without even a moment’s fight.
Did Josh and Keg kill him? No. But he had been around dogs, hell even fox hunted, before Josh got a hold of him and he came back to me so whacked in the head about dogs (and everything, really) that he ended up losing his life over 3 15 pounders having some fun. And I lost my best friend.
Let’s not trivialize what these “men” did. They caused pain, grief and real loss - monetary and otherwise and there’s no room for them in the world of horses.[/QUOTE]
I am SOO SORRY!! What a nightmare!!
Oh JackieBlue. :no::no::no:
I don’t know what to say other than I’m sorry, and in my mind, his shortened life and tragic end does lay at the feet of J and K.
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One small problem with this logic. If the proceedings are held in private and not open to USEF members, then USEF members won’t know how Board membres voted on this issue (or any other issue, for that matter).
If members aren’t informed of how individual Board members voted on an issue, how then are the individual Board members going to be held accountable for their actions???[/QUOTE]
The USEF board will be held accountable collectively. The people they represent are concerned,vocal,and are paying attention. The USEF hearing about this mattter may not be public but the outcome most certainly will be.
It is all to easy for any representative body to lapse into self interest , politics etc… when making decicions, but not so easy for them to do so when their membership is vocal and involved. Just because the proceedings are not public there is nothing to keep you from writing a letter or sending an email stating your feelings about the subject.
USEF has procedures that it is required to observe but in the end this will be a judgement call.
If for no other reason than the incredibly bad publicity eek! that the reinstatement of these people would generate (and I can’t imagine that bad publicity would be the ONLY reason),they really can’t let these people play again.
Thanks so much, everyone, for your kind words about my boy. He was very special to me and losing him when and how I did just sucked all the way around. I always wonder, if I hadn’t bailed, would it have ended differently? But I was pregnant with my daughter and wasn’t chancing a flip-over or worse.
Montana was by Aristos B, out of Falling Water by Raconteur. He was humongous! In body and personality and was built like the proverbial brick $hithouse. He was a very handsome dark brown with rabicano markings, including a very dramatic skunk tail “roaning” on his flanks and heavily speckled socks. He turned heads everywhere we went and was literally a gentle giant. And I loved him oodles.
As heartbroken as I am about the condition he came home and his early demise, at least I did get him back! It took a PI and a “repo crew”, but he came home. I can’t imagine the grief of those who never found their beloved horses and ponies. Josh and Keg can never pay enough for the pain they’ve caused.
[QUOTE=JackieBlue;6147792]
Thanks so much, everyone, for your kind words about my boy. He was very special to me and losing him when and how I did just sucked all the way around. I always wonder, if I hadn’t bailed, would it have ended differently? But I was pregnant with my daughter and wasn’t chancing a flip-over or worse.
Montana was by Aristos B, out of Falling Water by Raconteur. He was humongous! In body and personality and was built like the proverbial brick $hithouse. He was a very handsome dark brown with rabicano markings, including a very dramatic skunk tail “roaning” on his flanks and heavily speckled socks. He turned heads everywhere we went and was literally a gentle giant. And I loved him oodles.
As heartbroken as I am about the condition he came home and his early demise, at least I did get him back! It took a PI and a “repo crew”, but he came home. I can’t imagine the grief of those who never found their beloved horses and ponies. Josh and Keg can never pay enough for the pain they’ve caused.[/QUOTE]
Oh JB, of course you must have faith in yourself and not question your judgement. We ALL know when it’s time to bail and if you had chosen not to, all of your people (and horses) might be without you now.(I am sure that you know this, just want to remind you that you are not alone,that sooner or later most of us have had to make that decision and most often, in an instant).
However, the cirumstances that led up to your tragedy are beyond tolerance and I think everyone who has ever cared for a horse stands with you.:sadsmile::sadsmile:
The judge can order restitution. I don’t know if the victims received any cash in hand. But did the victims all get full restitution? The catch-22 is that a defendant is not required to pay full restitution if he does not have the money. Judge cannot order someone back to jail for non-payment unless more money is found in possession of defendant.
Only way to get full restitution is payment up front before sentencing. Or a probation/parole officer who will stay on a defendant and not let defendant delay till sentence ends.
Anyhow, if anyone filed a civil lawsuit against the defendants before the SOL ran out, then that person can get a judgment and try to collect the rest of her/his money. The judgment in civil case should not be discharged in a bankruptcy because of the criminal conviction. Altho it will play second fiddle to the federal criminal case. (Some defendants file for bankruptcy thinking it will dispose of the civil case.)
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the DOJ called to say the debt had been paid (via farm auction) and I/we will be receiving checks within a few weeks. I have also received an email since posting. Here is part of that “e”…
U.S. Department of Justice
United States Attorney’s Office
Eastern District of Virginia in Richmond
600 East Main Street
Suite 1800
Main Street Centre
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (866) 287-5410
Fax: (804) 771-2316
February 15, 2012
Debbie Hanson
RE: Case Number 2000R02967 and Court Docket Number 06-4088
United States v. Kenneth Berlin
United States v. Joshua Cardine
Dear Debbie Hanson:
The United States Department of Justice believes it is important to keep victims of federal crime informed of court proceedings. This notice provides information about the above-referenced criminal case.
This letter is to inform you that if the United States District Court ordered restitution to be paid to you by defendants Kenneth Berlin and Joshua Cardine, the Court has received payment in full. Therefore, full payment will be forthcoming and you will be receiving a check from the United States District Court in the next few weeks. Please let us know if you have any questions.
I never knew these two guys, or had any dealings with them, but I googled the name of one to see what came up. I went to the fb page that popped up, and lo and behold, this person is apparently breeding horses and is fb friends with several well known VA people, at least one of which posts here regularly. Are the people that are knowingly dealing with federally convicted criminals just blind to the harm these criminals have caused? I can’t for the life of me think why professionals would risk tarnishing their own names by willingly associating with these criminals
Like I said, I won’t be surprised when/if the USEF reinstates them. :no:
I just googled the FB page for a certain someone and HOLY COW!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Ok, so some names did not shock me, because they roll like that - especially two that I know VERY well. One of which was my former trainer. :eek::mad: She was a very bad person all around, so again, that doesn’t shock me.
However, when I read some of the other names - like some BIG names that I have always thought very highly of. I am so confused. Do they not know about the Federal Fraud case??? Maybe they don’t know…
JB, your story made me tear up. I am so very sorry. 
It’s not uncommon for horse people to become friend whores on Facebook. 9 times out of 10, they don’t actually know who is on their friend list or much, if anything, about them.
I must be unusual, because I only “friend” people on FB that I actually know. But I can see how someone may “friend” someone just for the fact that “Hey, you love horses and I love horses so let’s be friends!”.
I dunno…I just would feel sleazy being his friend on FB.
I’m sorry for causing tears, Eye. That was not my intention. Although, I must admit it was somehow cathartic posting the story because I NEVER talk about him or everything that went down. What I didn’t mention before because it just adds so much to the pain, is that Montana was a very, special gift to me. I was horseless when I met my husband and moved to Charlottesville. I was riding plenty at a well known show barn in the area and really having a blast there, but no horse of my own, no showing. Until Miss Diana Dodge heard that I was here and horseless and just wouldn’t hear of it. She didn’t even know me well at the time. She just knew that I married into the family of a very close friend of hers and took it upon herself to hook me up in a big way. Montana wasn’t mine when he went to J & K, but I’d known and ridden him and my husband’s dad owned half of him at the time. When we pinned down his location there was no question in Diana’s mind whose barn he was going to when the guys “stole him back” and she pretty much informed my father-in-law that he would be mine. Period. 
As for the Facebook page, saying, “Well, his FB friends are probably just friend whores who don’t even know who he is,” doesn’t fly with me. Making excuses and condoning poor behavior is rampant in horses and is why, again, I won’t be the least bit shocked when Josh is back at the horse shows. :rolleyes: Here we are, already covering for people, having no idea what they’re actually thinking, but just because it’s “what we do.”
I agree that “Well respected”, “Big name” horse people would very well know with whom they are associating themselves, ESPECIALLY if that person was a convicted felon, ESPECIALLY if that person was suspended from the organization that governs the livelihood (and/or leisure time) of “Big name”, “Well respected” horse people. :no::no::no:
Perhaps" respect" in the horse industry shouldn’t be given as freely as it seems to be. 
This is utterly discouraging. :no:
Another point to consider, on fb… if you have certain types of pages, sadly, anyone can “like” it, and will show in that area.
Once again, WHY make excuses for these people? JC has a normal old FB page and those pictured on it have “friended” him in the usual manner. Even if he had a business page, who in their right mind would “like it”? And don’t think for a minute that his FB friends don’t know his history. NOBODY missed Josh and Keg’s downfall. Apparently many just weren’t/aren’t bothered by it. And just as many are jumping to their defense. :sigh: I love this sport. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=JackieBlue;6150070]
Once again, WHY make excuses for these people? JC has a normal old FB page and those pictured on it have “friended” him in the usual manner. Even if he had a business page, who in their right mind would “like it”? And don’t think for a minute that his FB friends don’t know his history. NOBODY missed Josh and Keg’s downfall. Apparently many just weren’t/aren’t bothered by it. And just as many are jumping to their defense. :sigh: I love this sport. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
This. I have to say it bothers me that 2 of my friends have friended him. I get that a person shouldn’t have to pay for their crimes forever, but to allow them access again to the horse world and association with several BNTs, BNRs, says to the general public that horsemen are fine with criminal activity. These people didn’t cheat on taxes; well they probably did. But they weren’t busted for something not even remotely connected to the horse industry. They served time for exploiting and defrauding horse people and ruining the dreams of horse people.
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