Feds just raided AC4H

[QUOTE=ReSomething;6966703]
Wow. Not a grey, not a pony, not a stallion and a whole lot of 10 year olds.

Well. I expect that if AC4H is in trouble for anything it’s the interstate stuff, and I wonder if CBER is far behind? They used a similar model. Selling a product (specific pathetically attractive horses) to multiple individuals at a high markup and freely substituting other horses.[/QUOTE]

There were some stallions: sex is M, F, N which would be Male, Female, Neutered.

I am trying to figure the breeds?
DE
PE
PF

I assumed
TB and TH both Thoroughbred
QH Quarterhorse
SN Standardbred?
PN Paint?
BL Belgian?
DF Draft?
AP Appaloosa? or American Paint?
AS American Saddlebred?

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6967009]
This will be my last 2 cents worth on this issue.

Everyone is up in arms about this “scammer” who BTW is a middle class nobody just like the rest us. Talk about low hanging fruit. Easy beans for Feds, just like the rest of us. Meanwhile, the REAL scammers are still busy hoarding all their cash in the Cayman’s while the bought and paid for Feds worry themselves with AC4H. You want and need justice, stop picking on the little guys breaking the same laws as the big guys. Sheez… she hasn’t done anything those big corp psychopaths do everyday of their lives.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that Cri$ty didn’t have the money to buy off Congress…so she wasn’t able to make sure the laws favor her particular brand of fraud. I’m guessing a lot of the fat cats fly pretty close…but just don’t completely cross the line.

Don’t like it? Let Congress know.

well, I have not been around in several days, and this news was quite the shocker to me…never thought anything would be done about the questionable things going on with that organization.

Extra horses?

[QUOTE=7arabians;6966641]
[edit][/QUOTE]

What extra horses? Are you calling the horses you donated to twice their normal price to the killbuyer to put aside extra horses? There are no extra horses. There are horses that go to slaughter based on demand . Stop kidding yourself that you are saving horses from slaughter , you’re just helping him pick which ones go on the truck and which ones he can make extra from . I’d guess they use the cutest , colorful or popular breeds to take pictures of for the website. They arent extras they are bait for suckers

The way I see it and probably how it would look on the big picture if you could look beyond your rose colored glasses to what damage you are really doing . The people that gave money to a kill buyer so he can stay in business and run out to buy a lot more horses are the ones doing the most damage to horses. Blood is on your hands for keeping him in business and making a bigger profit. Well played kill buyer what a genius

Don’t feel bad, some of us have been banned from Mr. Brown’s forum over and over, almost always when it came to posting sensible questions to questionable “rescues”. We “had an agenda” you see. My only agenda was not wanting people to be duped by horse-traders masquerading as rescues. When Chrusty Shady crashes to earth and burns, it won’t be a bad thing for any horse.

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6967016]
There were some stallions: sex is M, F, N which would be Male, Female, Neutered.

I am trying to figure the breeds?
DE
PE
PF

I assumed
TB and TH both Thoroughbred
QH Quarterhorse
SN Standardbred?
PN Paint?
BL Belgian?
DF Draft?
AP Appaloosa? or American Paint?
AS American Saddlebred?[/QUOTE]

BL comes up as a draft type, cross referencing the shipper statement by the fitness certificate so Belgian is probably correct. PE probably Percheron, same thing. I can’t read the page after page, it’s too depressing.

What hip numbers are PE and DE and DF, or could that be bad printing?

[QUOTE=sassysmom;6966950]
You cannot use donations to a non profit to benefit a private party or business as in the feedlot and owners. . Its against the IRS rules. [/QUOTE]

Hypothetical:

What if… the feedlot owner was related in some way to the ‘rescue’
What if… the sole QT facility the rescue referred people to was run by a relation?

Maybe a bouquet???
(Sorry just couldn’t help it)

[QUOTE=Paragraph;6966676]
The FBI came to visit? Did they bring a bottle of wine or flowers?

The above statement from Christy was either written by her or by one of her family, etc. I cannot believe it was written by anyone who managed to pass the bar.
The FBI breaks down your door(according to Christy) shoves you on the ground, holds a gun to your daughter’s head , ransacks your house, removes boxes of evidence, records, computers, etc., the search warrant lists wire fraud, etc. and she tries to pass it off as a “visit” just like all the other agencies that have blessed her little operation.

And she is going tomorrow to see legal , ahem, council(the word is counsel). An operation as big as hers doesn’t have a lawyer on speed dial? You wouldn’t have your lawyer come immediately while the FBI was there?
Maybe she doesn’t know who the FBI is?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6967009]
This will be my last 2 cents worth on this issue.

Everyone is up in arms about this “scammer” who BTW is a middle class nobody just like the rest us. Talk about low hanging fruit. Easy beans for Feds, just like the rest of us. Meanwhile, the REAL scammers are still busy hoarding all their cash in the Cayman’s while the bought and paid for Feds worry themselves with AC4H. You want and need justice, stop picking on the little guys breaking the same laws as the big guys. Sheez… she hasn’t done anything those big corp psychopaths do everyday of their lives.[/QUOTE]

Big corp psychopaths…uh huh. :sigh:

501c3 designation is supposed to be given to and utilized by organizations who are charitable, doing community “good”, etc. In return, they do not have to pay taxes on not only income, but most non profits receive preferential treatment at banks, businesses, township and municipalities, etc.
The last 990 that was filed and on public record showed that Ac4H had an income of $870,000 and expenses of $775,000 on horse care and then additional $45,000 on administration, etc. This is not a “middleclass” person like the rest of us…very few equine enterprises in the USA, with the exception of the big thoroughbred breeders and possibly some other very large breeders/sellers have that kind of income and expenses for horses.
Ac4H may not be the FBI’s end target. They may be the initial catch, but there may be bigger fish to hook on down the line and all of Christy’s records may be evidence to assist in that. Don’t forget, there are vets, sales venues, etc. that may be involved in all of the fraud and deception.
What may be interesting to see is if Ac4H gets some type of immunity for cooperating…I find it very odd that she is still operating and accepting funds.

I realize your question was hypothetical, but in this case, they don’t need to be related, just a bunch of crooks all local to each other. Dr H, the NH vet can be added to that list too - he’s stopped his practice and going out on the road, as he is making a fortune in his role at the auction.

Crooks always seem to find each other. Sadly.

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6967009]
This will be my last 2 cents worth on this issue.

Everyone is up in arms about this “scammer” who BTW is a middle class nobody just like the rest us. Talk about low hanging fruit. Easy beans for Feds, just like the rest of us. Meanwhile, the REAL scammers are still busy hoarding all their cash in the Cayman’s while the bought and paid for Feds worry themselves with AC4H. You want and need justice, stop picking on the little guys breaking the same laws as the big guys. Sheez… she hasn’t done anything those big corp psychopaths do everyday of their lives.[/QUOTE]

Big corp psychopaths…uh huh. :sigh:

501c3 designation is supposed to be given to and utilized by organizations who are charitable, doing community “good”, etc. In return, they do not have to pay taxes on not only income, but most non profits receive preferential treatment at banks, businesses, township and municipalities, etc.
The last 990 that was filed and on public record showed that Ac4H had an income of $870,000 and expenses of $775,000 on horse care and then additional $45,000 on administration, etc. This is not a “middleclass” person like the rest of us…very few equine enterprises in the USA, with the exception of the big thoroughbred breeders and possibly some other very large breeders/sellers have that kind of income and expenses for horses.
Ac4H may not be the FBI’s end target. They may be the initial catch, but there may be bigger fish to hook on down the line and all of Christy’s records may be evidence to assist in that. Don’t forget, there are vets, sales venues, etc. that may be involved in all of the fraud and deception.
What may be interesting to see is if Ac4H gets some type of immunity for cooperating…I find it very odd that she is still operating and accepting funds.

[QUOTE=AlexS;6967148]
I realize your question was hypothetical, but in this case, they don’t need to be related, just a bunch of crooks all local to each other. Dr H, the NH vet can be added to that list too - he’s stopped his practice and going out on the road, as he is making a fortune in his role at the auction.

Crooks always seem to find each other. Sadly.[/QUOTE]
I get that.
But to take it a step further if the charitable organization is set up such that the person who profits most is also a relation to the founder of the charity… that’s inurement or… conflict of interest, … or??? Is there a name/term for that or a regulation against it?

[unlike some I don’t pretend to know everything, and am interested to learn what I don’t know]

Oh I hear you Angela, I am currently fighting my local politics, as they are doing shady insider deals to brother in laws. It’s so annoying.

[QUOTE=Paragraph;6967147]
showed that Ac4H had an income of $870,000 and expenses of $775,000 on horse care and then additional $45,000 on administration, etc. [/QUOTE]

Um, they didn’t spend 775,000 on horse care. They didn’t own or house the horses they sold, Brian Moore did.

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6967162]
Um, they didn’t spend 775,000 on horse care. They didn’t own or house the horses they sold, Brian Moore did.[/QUOTE]

they own and house horses too, on the rescue side of their operation. But it’s can’t be close to those figures, they have maybe 20 horses.

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6967162]
Um, they didn’t spend 775,000 on horse care. They didn’t own or house the horses they sold, Brian Moore did.[/QUOTE]

They have, by some estimates, about 40 in their Rescue [ie the rare bred horses or those of such lineage that they want to keep them for themselves, so they say they are for adoption but never in fact get adopted.]… then again their Kiger/whatever stallion that SOME VET said [per blood tests] was not a stallion also has some foals on the ground w/ at least 2 mares and several other mares are ‘no longer available’ and one does wonder…, so the number may be swelling, so to speak
But again, 775k on 40 horses when you see how those horses have not blossomed in their care therefore are not getting top notch … anything… is not imaginable.

But I agree with you, the majority of the $$ in, and then out again of the rescue coffers was for Broker owned horses which has clearly been the majority of their ‘work’ for years… ie went to B Moore.

RE Inurement, very interesting to read, really:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iQWLH5Laa6gJ:http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicc90.pdf%2Binurement+nonprofit&hl=en&gbv=2&gs_l=heirloom-hp.1.2.0l9j0i10.15744.17802.1.20084.7.7.0.0.0.0.65.416.7.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.jiAS4LGrD_8&ct=clnk

[i]IntroductionIRC 501©(3) provides exemption from federal income tax for organizationsthat are “organized and operated exclusively” for religious, educational, orcharitable purposes. The exemption is further conditioned on the organizationbeing one “no part of the net income of which inures to the benefit of any privateshareholder or individual.” This article examines the proscription againstinurement and the requirement that an organization must be organized andoperated exclusively for exempt purposes by serving public rather than private interests…

Regs. 1.501(a)-1© states that “[t]he words ‘private shareholder orindividual’ in section 501 refer to persons having a personal and private interest inthe activities of the organization.”…

However, any transaction between an organization and a private individual inwhich the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits ofthe exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue. Suchtransactions may include assignments of income, compensation arrangements,sales or exchanges of property, commissions, rental arrangements, gifts withretained interests, and contracts to provide goods or services to the organization…

The general rule is that if the arrangements are indistinguishable from ordinaryprudent business practices in comparable circumstances, a fair exchange ofbenefits is presumed and inurement will not be found. If the transactions departfrom that standard to the benefit of an individual, a finding of inurement should be made.[/i]
Cause everyone hands over at least $25k to a horse dealer each month, right?

[i]Other case examples of inurement include payment of excessive rent, TexasTrade School v. Commissioner, 30 T.C. 642, aff’d. 272 F.2d 168 (5th Cir. 1959);…

A common factual thread running through the cases where inurement hasbeen found is that the individual stands in a relationship with the organizationwhich offers him the opportunity to make use of the organization’s income orassets for personal gain…[/i]

There’s alot more but I was up early, out all day and will be again tomorrow… so you’re on your own.

“expenses” also include whatever salary they choose to pay themselves.

Just to make sure I am stating this with accuracy, I just looked at their 2010 IRS form 990 which is available on Guidestar.

In 2010, they reported Income of $861,673.50. They reported expenses of $856,477.08. They had a year end balance of $4803.50.

They state on the form that there are 4 voting members of the board and they have…100 volunteers.

They also provide community service to high school students and they also provide community service opportunities to individual criminals who need to perform community service as part of a sentence.

They also checked “NO” when asked if any officer had a family or business relationship with other officers. Since both Rick and Christy are officers, I am at a loss to understand how “NO” is accurate.

None of the four officers received ANY compensation, according to the IRS form.

They also list $ 14,822.50 in government grants.

They list over $44,000 for “occupancy” expenses.

Every month for the year, they list no less than $25,000 in “horse purchases”. One month has over $81,000 in purchases.

The 990 is fascinating. I suggest everyone take a look at it.

Ang your mailbox is full

[QUOTE=ReSomething;6967103]
BL comes up as a draft type, cross referencing the shipper statement by the fitness certificate so Belgian is probably correct. PE probably Percheron, same thing. I can’t read the page after page, it’s too depressing.

What hip numbers are PE and DE and DF, or could that be bad printing?[/QUOTE]

The PE, PF, DE, DF are all draft types, so likely percheron type.
The PN was Pinto Quarter type, so probably Paint

Not that it is terribly important or relevant to today’s topic.