[QUOTE=Paragraph;6967215]
They list over $44,000 for “occupancy” expenses.[/QUOTE]
Why am I thinking I remember someone telling me that the barn they rent for their Rescue horses is owned [and lease paid to] her mother or Rickys mother or some relation?
Is that what ‘Occupancy’ is for? Rent of their Rescue barn?
[QUOTE=Hippolyta;6967204]
“expenses” also include whatever salary they choose to pay themselves.[/QUOTE]
Not unless they also state that someone actually gets a salary/compensation on the 990. Their 990 has never claimed any of them get paid, and Christy has posted here on COTH that in fact she doesn’t take a dime in salary.
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Every month for the year, they list no less than $25,000 in “horse purchases”. One month has over $81,000 in purchases.[/QUOTE]
Think about that.
Think about just that amount that they are handing Brian every month.
Cha-ching.
Was it her or someone else doing “rescue” I remember something about that as well - but cannot remember who.
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6967247]
Why am I thinking I remember someone telling me that the barn they rent for their Rescue horses is owned [and lease paid to] her mother or Rickys mother or some relation?
Is that what ‘Occupancy’ is for? Rent of their Rescue barn?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6967121]
Hypothetical:
What if… the feedlot owner was related in some way to the ‘rescue’
What if… the sole QT facility the rescue referred people to was run by a relation?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you could ask Days End as they, under their charity status provided a home for the daughter of the Ceo so they were both living on the property. Now that she has “retired” onto her amazing pension program and is migrating to HSUS, I don’t know if that should be determined by a specific retirement age…number of years etc.
Does the daughter move into the main home now…or does she stay where she is and take over the role of her mother…does the new CEO immediately state at the same $80,000 per year plus all expenses for them and their family?
There are many questionable actions on behalf of many many rescues.
I will be interested in reading what they charge 4H with…if they do charge. If something is amiss…they should be held accountable…along with all the other rescues.
Estra Horses…as you are new but seem to know more…could you please enlighten us. I know over on TROT they did hold back and save many many American Saddlebreds…my complaint…$550-$750 was a sale and not an adoption fee as far as I was concerned. According to those involved with Christie they stated she helped them with everythihg from all markings to DNA
amples to determine heritage. I never worked with her so I truly do not know
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Was it her or someone else doing “rescue” I remember something about that as well - but cannot remember who.[/QUOTE]
I can not recall but either GG or DEFHR leased their farm from the husbands relatives.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;6967267]
Maybe you could ask Days End as they, under their charity status provided a home for the daughter of the Ceo so they were both living on the property. Now that she has “retired” onto her amazing pension program and is migrating to HSUS, I don’t know if that should be determined by a specific retirement age…number of years etc.
Does the daughter move into the main home now…or does she stay where she is and take over the role of her mother…does the new CEO immediately state at the same $80,000 per year plus all expenses for them and their family?
There are many questionable actions on behalf of many many rescues.
I will be interested in reading what they charge 4H with…if they do charge. If something is amiss…they should be held accountable…along with all the other rescues. [/QUOTE]
There’s your needle, stuck in the DEF groove again… just can’t let it go can ya’? Marsha must Loooooove it when you drag that all up time after time…
ANYWAY…
If I was with the 4H organization I would be very unhappy with your incessant inability to use the entire initials of the organization you are discussing, AC4H, instead of 4Hs.
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I can not recall but either GG or DEFHR leased their farm from the husbands relatives.[/QUOTE]
And if it was a legitimate lease amount, there’s nothing wrong with that. I know of several rescue orgs who lease the farms they are on from the President or other Board Members. There’s nothing unusual about that… but then youve been told that before.
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I can not recall but either GG or DEFHR leased their farm from the husbands relatives.[/QUOTE]
I would think that the pertinent question would be are the facilities being leased at a “fair market” price or at an inflated price?
[QUOTE=7arabians;6965939]
“Sure, that poor horse will be “saved from slaughter” by well-meaning folks, but that inflated profit will go towards buying another 4-5 horses that are better “fit” for slaughter, and that’s where they go, directly. No one ever sees those horses.”
Liberty, You have summed it up nicely. Some horses are simply best routed to slaughter as they have no other earthly purpose/use. Now, more will go directly to slaughter. No crime in that as long as the end is humane. Valley Meats is waiting for one final signature. Then they can help reduce the number of unwanted horses. Sad, but true![/QUOTE]
The problem with this is you have it backward. The horses that might be useful, i.e. younger, not starved, not lame, are sent to slaughter while the horses who are in no danger of being slaughtered, too old, too skinny, too sick, too lame, too blind, too small, too grey, etc. etc. are the ones marketed to bleeding hearts at hugely inflated prices so the KB can then go out and buy MORE marketable horses to fill his slaughter contract. Regardless of what horses go where no more horses go to slaughter than the buyers of the meat want. And if all those horses are unwanted, why aren’t they all FREE?
It was GG. And boy howdy, did they ever grow! Someone stated that they thought ac4h was wealthy while raising 700,000 - 800,000 per year. Well, GG and DEFHR both bring in well over $1 million/year. There is money in them thar starvin’ horses!
We are making sure that Maryland will soon have teams of ‘visitors’
So did they ever find out where Honor Boy was buried?
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It was GG. And boy howdy, did they ever grow! Someone stated that they thought ac4h was wealthy while raising 700,000 - 800,000 per year. Well, GG and DEFHR both bring in well over $1 million/year. There is money in them thar starvin’ horses!
We are making sure that Maryland will soon have teams of ‘visitors’[/QUOTE]
For the millionth time, the difference is that DEF and GG have many neglected and abused horses at their farms for whom they provide day to day care which costs money. That’s what they do. Provide care to neglected and abused horses [like Polish Arabians out of Maryland for example], and rehabilitate them, and find them homes after months and months of doing that rehab and care.
IN FACT you yourself said that this isn’t a cheap undertaking, would you like me to find that quote for you?
AC4H, not 4H, on the other hand is a middle man who takes in all that money but never has the horses [for whom the money comes in] in their care. Ever.
Big Difference.
I don’t have any affiliations with rescues besides where I got my mini-donk from, and I’ve never been in side New Holland…
Why does AC4H have so many mini horses?
They AC4H, should have been banned from any posts on this board a long time ago.
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So did they ever find out where Honor Boy was buried?[/QUOTE]
I thought the person looking for him said he was okay and was hoping to get him once things were sorted out.
I haven’t read every post since I’m using my phone. So what did I miss?!
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I would think that the pertinent question would be are the facilities being leased at a “fair market” price or at an inflated price?[/QUOTE]
There is also the question of permanent improvements made to any property with rescue funds and who profits from those if the property is sold as well as who is benefiting from them in the meantime.
GG and DEFHR both rake it in by the millions. Bigger than 4h has done! And I don’t recall 4h charging anyone for ‘volunteer hours’ ! Oh yes, the petty jealousy among the various ‘rescues’ have reached new heights. All those vicious, vicious posts by certain rescues, even causing them to be banned from certain boards! One even had to hire a professional apologist who posts here for that big ‘rescue’ in absentia. Comical really, since they all follow nearly the same game plan. By the way, why were so many drafts involved in this 4h mess? Isn’t there a ‘rescue’ which specializes in handling drafties for the hsus nearby?
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6967256]
Think about that.
Think about just that amount that they are handing Brian every month.
Cha-ching.[/QUOTE]
Awhile back when someone here turned me on to guidestar and the 990’s, that was my reaction too! I think about what they are handing over to Brian and what he is handing back?
I also recall most likely in a previous thread that I think it is his parents they either rent from or rent the barn where they keep the rescues horses. Maybe on the 990.
Anyone know the Prices involvement in any of this?
I think it will be grand to look into all these scums. Go FBI
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They AC4H, should have been banned from any posts on this board a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
I think they were told to stop posting donation solicitations. Not just the woman in charge (Christy) of AC4H, but anyone else who wanted to publicize the horses available for purchase.
Sheilah
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