Feds just raided AC4H

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Liberty;6970016]
Oh, but AC4H contacted SWAP (Celeita) to inform her that the KB had him. Deflection, anyone? Or maybe AC4H is trying to pull SWAP down with them?
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.579728422057377.1073741833.113580512005506&type=1#!/permalink.php?story_fbid=579688392061380&id=113580512005506

Yes, this is getting even more interesting![/QUOTE]

Even MORE interesting… read that Facebook thread linked above; even with AC4H contacting SWAP re the horse being at Moores, one would guess in order for SWAP to pony up as other owners/breeders do when they get what must be an ever so charming call from these people, and SWAP sending verified paperwork that the horse is theirs per the adoption contract… now the horse is not ‘available’?

Does anyone else smell something? Is it on my shoe?

[appdream]

PA Rural.
I am trying to find the info on “Tee”. Resuce was located on Onyx Cave Rd., Shoemakesville, PA.

“Tee” was supposed to have faked her death in the past and rumors have been circulating that she has done it again. In 1211, there was only supposed to be one horse left on the farm. Now there are quite a few. I don’t know if her husband is still operating it or if someone new is there.

This is the rescue infomation:
Lifelines Farm
415 Onyx Cave Road
Shoemakersville, PA 19555

And says she died Nov. 5, 2008. Info halfway down the page.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/MissysHopeEquineRescueResource/message/803

Here is more information about “Tee’s” aliases and criminal record.

http://www.newenglandequinerescues.com/lifelinestee.htm

Her obituary was for Lisa Louise (Zeller) Williams, published in the Reading Eagle newspaper on Nov. 11, 2008.

[Liberty]

Interesting post and discussion about AC4H and SWAP (Celeita Kramer):
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/AC4H.Fraud/permalink/513044415409704/

[sketcher]

[QUOTE=Liberty;6972840]
Interesting post and discussion about AC4H and SWAP (Celeita Kramer):
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/AC4H.Fraud/permalink/513044415409704/[/QUOTE]

That thread makes my head hurt.

[jenm]

Based on the information the FBI is seeking, I don’t see how they can survive this:

[I]Currently, the feds say they are looking into issues of horses that were misrepresented, where either a different horse was received than expected or the animal was altered in some way.

FBI Special Agent Charlene Trux says investigators also want to speak with those who may have purchased a horse, but never received one.

Also of interest are situations where services, like a coggins or health certificate, were paid for, but were never supplied by AC4H. If you had issues with the group, and utilized Paypal, fax, or mail - your story may also be of interest. [/I]

http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/fbi-seeks-victims-of-another-chance-4-horses-rescue.aspx

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=jenm;6973243]
Based on the information the FBI is seeking, I don’t see how they can survive this:

[I]Currently, the feds say they are looking into issues of horses that were misrepresented, where either a different horse was received than expected or the animal was altered in some way.

FBI Special Agent Charlene Trux says investigators also want to speak with those who may have purchased a horse, but never received one.

Also of interest are situations where services, like a coggins or health certificate, were paid for, but were never supplied by AC4H. If you had issues with the group, and utilized Paypal, fax, or mail - your story may also be of interest. [/I]

http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/fbi-seeks-victims-of-another-chance-4-horses-rescue.aspx[/QUOTE]

Thats all well and good but some of the information that are seeking is so subjective vs factual. Anyone with an axe to grind could say the horse they got was misrepresented etc. What happened to buyer beware?

[jenm]

[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6973288]
Thats all well and good but some of the information that are seeking is so subjective vs factual. Anyone with an axe to grind could say the horse they got was misrepresented etc. What happened to buyer beware?[/QUOTE]

This goes deeper than just cases of buyer beware. There are instances of people paying for horses and not getting them.

I’m sure the FBI is pretty skilled at figuring out who has an axe to grind and who has a legitimate complaint. It’s my understanding this investigation has been years in the making, so the FBI would have had to gather a lot of solid evidence before making the raid.

No doubt there will be subjective information, but I bet there is a lot more information that is well documented by the people who were scammed.

[Pa_Rural]

[QUOTE=appdream;6972129]
PA Rural.
I am trying to find the info on “Tee”. Resuce was located on Onyx Cave Rd., Shoemakesville, PA.

“Tee” was supposed to have faked her death in the past and rumors have been circulating that she has done it again. In 1211, there was only supposed to be one horse left on the farm. Now there are quite a few. I don’t know if her husband is still operating it or if someone new is there.

This is the rescue infomation:
Lifelines Farm
415 Onyx Cave Road
Shoemakersville, PA 19555

And says she died Nov. 5, 2008. Info halfway down the page.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/MissysHopeEquineRescueResource/message/803

Here is more information about “Tee’s” aliases and criminal record.

http://www.newenglandequinerescues.com/lifelinestee.htm

Her obituary was for Lisa Louise (Zeller) Williams, published in the Reading Eagle newspaper on Nov. 11, 2008.[/QUOTE]

Was her ex husband a local cop? Did her brother-in-law eventually close out the rescue? I am thinking of the right person? I recall hearing about the rescue getting evicted.

[appdream]

PA Rural, I don’t have an answer for your questions. I know in 2010 some menonites told me they had looked at some horses that the rescue was trying to rehome after “Tee’s” death. In 2011, my farrier said there was only one horse left there and they were still looking for a home for the horse.

I had not noticed from a distance, any horses there for the past few years. This spring I have been driving past the farm, on my way to the baseball field. This is when I noticed there are close to 20 head on the farm. I don’t know who is operating the farm or if it is a rescue, a boarding barn or private.

[summerhorse]

I’ve always wondered if “Tee” stayed dead this time or arose again. Something in there said she had AIDS but I sort of remember that they said she had a bad heart?? SO many scammers, so little time. They all run together after awhile.

[lolalola]

IIRC, she posted that she wasn’t feeling well, then went into the hospital and died. It was certainly unexpected. The whole thing unraveled because no one claimed the remains at the morgue. However, she was at the morgue under her real name. A little googling brought forth a torrent of info.

[uphill]

[QUOTE=sketcher;6973229]
That thread makes my head hurt.[/QUOTE]

Had to chuckle…my friend has emails from Celeita using the same tactics of threat, ‘you don’t know about us’ and language…well, except every other word was a 4 letter starting with F. And that was YEARS ago.

I am amazed that folks don’t do Google research. The thread on Celeita is 1000’s of posts long! When so many people say the same bad things…if it smell like a fish…it probably is.

The difference between these ‘businesses’ is that C never even filed for 501©3 though she claimed that donations were tax deductible, she kept ownership of the horses and sold/adopted them out again and again. She threatened ( she was military and well schooled in offensive tactics apparently. Chrusty did file the 501©3 paperwork. However, failed to deliver horses to people paying for them and also raised funds which apparently didn’t get applied as they were intended. Bottom line - both are scammers preying upon the horselovers who don’t want to see horses ‘go to slaughter’.

Interesting that their paths haven’t crossed before now.

Yes, we remember the ‘turning them loose’ email.

[Jeito]

[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6973288]
Thats all well and good but some of the information that are seeking is so subjective vs factual. Anyone with an axe to grind could say the horse they got was misrepresented etc. What happened to buyer beware?[/QUOTE]

That’s the defense opening and closing argument in all of these fraud cases :lol: Defendants usually get convicted nonetheless :winkgrin: Prosecutors look for a pattern of behavior. One claim of misrepresentation may be a lie or business mistake. Dozens of such incidents = fraud. That’s the law and common sense. FBI agents and federal prosecutors know what they’re doing and take their time building a case.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=uphill;6974025]
Had to chuckle…my friend has emails from Celeita using the same tactics of threat, ‘you don’t know about us’ and language…well, except every other word was a 4 letter starting with F. And that was YEARS ago.

I am amazed that folks don’t do Google research. The thread on Celeita is 1000’s of posts long! When so many people say the same bad things…if it smell like a fish…it probably is.

The difference between these ‘businesses’ is that C never even filed for 501©3 though she claimed that donations were tax deductible, she kept ownership of the horses and sold/adopted them out again and again. She threatened ( she was military and well schooled in offensive tactics apparently. Chrusty did file the 501©3 paperwork. However, failed to deliver horses to people paying for them and also raised funds which apparently didn’t get applied as they were intended. Bottom line - both are scammers preying upon the horselovers who don’t want to see horses ‘go to slaughter’.

Interesting that their paths haven’t crossed before now.

Yes, we remember the ‘turning them loose’ email.[/QUOTE]

Just a side note here.

Our performance dog club was started in 1978 and is run by all volunteers.
Not one officer of the club has ever been paid and teachers of the classes we offer to the public have always been all volunteers.

We are a state registered non-profit, but not thru the IRS.
Why?
Our income from classes and obedience and agility shows is considerably larger than donations.
We don’t quite qualify because of that, so we lose on possible tax based donations like the IRS certified 501s non-profits get.
It is a catch of those laws, we can’t ask for taxable donations because we don’t qualify because we don’t get enough donations, duh.
That also keeps us from qualifying for so many other state, federal and private foundation grants out there.
We do spend much time helping animal control and 501s rescues with their donation drives.

When it comes to non-profits, there are all kinds of certifications, it seems.
Unless you know exactly which kind some organization has, you may not know what they are doing.

[CVPeg]

[QUOTE=summerhorse;6973963]
SO many scammers, so little time. [/QUOTE]
:lol:

Sad, but true. :rolleyes:

[findeight]

Numbers don’t lie and are not subjective. That’s the only way some of these scumbags ever get caught and a plea bargain is about their only hope if warrants were obtained as required and authorities took their time building a strong case- which seems to be the case here.

Their other actions may be in question but not the numbers. It’s the only way they catch murderous gangsters, drug runners and crooked politicians-tax evasion. It’s federal and brings out the big guns from FBI to ATF and prosecutors with far more resources at their disposal then county or state.

These people knew exactly what they were doing and dug themselves a great deep hole they will remain in for the foreseeable future. That should not bother anybody at all.

[Jeito]

Just to be clear, this is not tax evasion. The statutes that give the federal government jurisdiction are usually the wire and mail fraud statutes that have nothing to do with taxes. (Don’t mean to be picky, but I used to prosecute these cases.)

[findeight]

Whatever, once the feds are in on it, it’s hard to beat even with a glib lawyer…and the IRS is usually right behind them waiting in line to finish wiping them out. Watched that play out several times in Texas about 30 or so years ago in the height of the…snowstorm.

[D_BaldStockings]

…and what about the horses ‘bailed’ but not yet picked up by their new owners?

How would one deal with that?
Is B. Moore also under investigation as an associate of AC4H or is his livestock clear of the mess?

Have there been charges filed, then?

Thanks,

[Mumsie]

From what I’ve been able to find…the IRS is currently auditing AC4H. The federal warrant the FBI used was issued for wire fraud and conspiracy. My guess is that either way, either agency, AC4H and Co. are in a world of trouble with the guvmint.

And that my friends…is not a bad thing at all.