[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6989109]
One of her mode of operations was to get AC4H horses funded to be bought and then transported to her and then she dumped them on the local humane society.
And IIRC there have also been other issues.
I am glad you got some good horses from Diana. She did start out with the right intentions as I recall, but then things apparently changed.[/QUOTE]
Provide us with verifiable proof rather than your hearsay becoming one of your personal facts
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6988871]
That would be an interesting development. The whole ‘umbrella’ schpiel re: the IRS status of FM probably isn’t looking so smart now, if that’s true.[/QUOTE]
Guess it is not so strange…that you never suggest HSUS be investigated…you and your little group of supporters take every opportunity to make everyone else as the boogey man while you continue to support your star ship
At least you are all consistent.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;6989121]
Luvy and Laura just post a lot. You rescued a living horse…whoops FOUR horses…I am not for Christie and her group however as they are investigated by FBI the IRS wiull be forced to audit them AND if they do that…HSUS will have to be audited. They are already looking at other rescues.
Bluey has NOT made derailing comments but this is a tactic by Luvy, Laura and their little group will go on the attack making name calling the new norm and it will close the thread.
I don’t care that these women defend HSUS…but when the house of cards collapses they will be the first to boo hoo hoo…or maybe not…guess it depends on their employment…maybe it will be with one of these groups.
As much as I have not liked the rescue PRICE from “the featured group” they have served a function AND they have given the opportunity for Saddlebreds (my breed) and others to move from the pen to the pasture.
That is more than the little group on here that attack Bluey every opportunity they get.[/QUOTE]
In case you missed this, here is the reason they went on the attack, again:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/16/irs-lois-lerner-humane-society/
Standard, when the truth comes out and you can’t defend against it, shooting the messenger is always good to change the topic.:rolleyes:
In a way, I brought that on by for long time ignoring such attacks and so it became the standard.
If I had objected right off, maybe that would not still be going on.
I decided, since ignoring was not helping, to respond when that happens, as here, as many times as it takes.
Yes, this is on topic, we are talking about this one rescue and others that also are a bit loose with the way they follow regulations as non-profits.
That article is pointing at how that may have been happening that certain groups were getting a pass.
Really, we should ask all are accountable and no one should feel singled out by that.
You sign on as a non-profit, you have to follow the rules.
Want to play the books your way, don’t sign for those rules, don’t become a non-profit.
Seems that plenty such groups are making a nice income without non-profit status and can do as they wish then, as long as they are up front with it.:yes:
The above discussion on ABR tells the story about VFH sending horses to the local Humane Society. Note that Christy is chiming in on that thread as well.
Interesting read, BTW.
As a snippet, a question that was posted to Christy on that thread:
[I]Christy…
Again…did the people that responded financially to the fundraising know that there was a possibility that the horse(s) could end up at the HS and face possibly euthanasia?
Also…in one post you stated that “they had a network and obtained grants to assist these facilities in taking horses”…repectfully I ask why the first post was for a plea to assist HS in caring for horses…29 of them…that came from a “rescue”? Did I read it wrong?
That there was monies or grants secured for the facilities that took the horses?
If that is the case…why is HS asking for help?
What is so responsible and ethical about dumping horses at HS? Ethical only if the people that paid bail for these horses (the ones that were congratulating VFH in doing such a great job in taking in these horses and finding them homes) knew ahead of time that there was a chance these horses would be sent to HS and possibly destroyed…or euth’d.
Whatever term you want to use…so I guess you feel confident to use "ethical"because people had FULL understanding that even a healthy viable horse, that may not be adoptable faces shipping off to HS and possible euthanasia?[/I]
Delphi is login read only.
[QUOTE=ReSomething;6989212]
Delphi is login read only.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if you can log in as guest?
Please understand that I am not going to copy 209 posts, LOL.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6989218]
I don’t know if you can log in as guest?
Please understand that I am not going to copy 209 posts, LOL.[/QUOTE]
I understand but it just adds to Fairfax saying “you have no proof!!1!”
You can go to the ABR forum as a guest but you may have to search for it on google and then link in that way. It can be hard to search for older threads on there. Just did that and it works.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6989168]
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=alexbrown&nav=messages&msg=52668.1&prettyurl=%2Falexbrown%2Fmessages%3Fmsg%3D52668.1&gid=1576154129
The above discussion on ABR tells the story about VFH sending horses to the local Humane Society. Note that Christy is chiming in on that thread as well.
Interesting read, BTW.
As a snippet, a question that was posted to Christy on that thread:
[I]Christy…
Again…did the people that responded financially to the fundraising know that there was a possibility that the horse(s) could end up at the HS and face possibly euthanasia?
Also…in one post you stated that “they had a network and obtained grants to assist these facilities in taking horses”…repectfully I ask why the first post was for a plea to assist HS in caring for horses…29 of them…that came from a “rescue”? Did I read it wrong?
That there was monies or grants secured for the facilities that took the horses?
If that is the case…why is HS asking for help?
What is so responsible and ethical about dumping horses at HS? Ethical only if the people that paid bail for these horses (the ones that were congratulating VFH in doing such a great job in taking in these horses and finding them homes) knew ahead of time that there was a chance these horses would be sent to HS and possibly destroyed…or euth’d.
Whatever term you want to use…so I guess you feel confident to use "ethical"because people had FULL understanding that even a healthy viable horse, that may not be adoptable faces shipping off to HS and possible euthanasia?[/I][/QUOTE]
Those are just questions…no answers. That would be like saying to the President…you are not truly black…why do you pretend to be African american instead of brown Indonesian heritage…and then saying that was proof that he was not born in the U.S. so shouldn’t be president.
Questions are not proof…I would think that you would alread have researched that info before you posted anything…but then…that is what you accuse others of doing…
[QUOTE=ReSomething;6989225]
I understand but it just adds to Fairfax saying “you have no proof!!1!”[/QUOTE]
LOL. I’m sooooo gonna loose sleep over that one.
It is amazing how recklessly some post on these threads. Luvmytbs openly accuses and convicts rescues which have clearly succeeded in saving horses. Obviously, another poster has taken 4 horses from there which is more than most of the sisterhood combined.
Bluey and Fairfax have just blown the lid off of most of animal world by exposing that Lerner was obviously preventing any IRS investigation into the status of hsus. How many times have we pondered how hsus can lobby and outright politic yet maintain their 501c3 status? By having one of the foxes in the henhouse, that’s how! I’m really beginning to wonder where America has gone!
It will also be interesting to see many of these hsus apologist posters begin to fade away as their internet access is shut-off when hsus can no longer afford to pay them to come to these forums and defend their puppetmaster, Wayne!
Yep. Many (all?) of the points made in the blog linked have been made many times over here on COTH and on Fugly. AC4H and other sham “rescues” are out to bilk money from folks, using emotionally charged language to ramp up the sense of urgency, and making all the people who “dribble” in their dollars feel great about “saving” a horse.
Sheilah
Another, earlier post from the same blog.
http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/05/another-horror-story-involving-broker.html
And the background information:
http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html
JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue…I’m looking for the links.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;6989853]
Another, earlier post from the same blog.
http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/05/another-horror-story-involving-broker.html
And the background information:
http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html
JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue…I’m looking for the links.[/QUOTE]
You ask, here they are:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/vetting-the-horse-rescue-before-donating.aspx
Here we go. JSwan wrote a whole series of articles…hope I got them all.
In this one she addresses social media and rescues:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/digital-age-of-horse-rescue.aspx
Vetting the rescue:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/vetting-the-horse-rescue-before-donating.aspx
Donor Rights and rescues:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/donor-rights-and-horse-rescues.aspx
And Equine NonProfits and Everyday Giving
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/equine-nonprofits-and-everyday-giving.aspx
I really wish the mods would put the series up as a sticky.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;6989853]
Another, earlier post from the same blog.
http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/05/another-horror-story-involving-broker.html
And the background information:
http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html
JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue…I’m looking for the links.[/QUOTE]
And I had one in EQUUS (but I just realized that article was 10 years ago! Where did the time go? :)). If I can find the link, I’ll post it.
If I cannot find the link, I’ll add it to BEHS’ page and post it.
Only odd to strict binary thinkers. For instance, I am militantly pro-choice. I am not abortion-is-the-only-and-best-choice. I’ve noticed here that the “pro-slaughter” folks are saying the same thing: slaughter-is-not-the-only-and-best option.
I was over at the ASB forums and contacted this “rescue.” I didn’t object that their definition of rescue and mine are different, but all the weird hoops I would have been required to jump through. I was given contradictory information: one email told me that I would own the horse, another said that the rescue would own the horse and could confiscate it if they did a surprise barn inspection and I didn’t pass.
[QUOTE=CarrieK;6992224]
Only odd to strict binary thinkers. For instance, I am militantly pro-choice. I am not abortion-is-the-only-and-best-choice. I’ve noticed here that the “pro-slaughter” folks are saying the same thing: slaughter-is-not-the-only-and-best option.[/QUOTE]
Also, what many are against is the animal rights extremist driven to BAN slaughter.
Whatever issues anyone may have with slaughter, those can be addressed in many ways, without needing to follow agendas to BAN slaughter.
Of course, that is, as you say there so well, ignored by those that are against slaughter period.
Just have to agree to disagree, until someone wants to make all others do what they want.
NO ONE is obligated to slaughter their horses, why would they think they can say what others may do with THEIR horses?
Strange thinking that.
Except when it is used, as do this one rescue here and many others, as a marketing trick to sell more horses, yes, they are selling them, whatever they want to call it.
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