Feeling Unsafe with Neighbors Harming Horses - Need to Move

Firstly, I am sorry that this is going to be so long. I have tried talking this through with those around me, but no one has indicated that this is unusual, and I’m starting to lose it a little bit.

I have been in what I feel is a very hostile situation with my neighbors for the last ~2 years, to the point where I am worried for my four horses and my own safety and really need to move, but I am finding it very difficult and am looking for any advice as to how to proceed.

To start, they blame me for some panels they lost; I didn’t take anything – they had their gate open and I can only assume someone snuck into their yard to steal them – we live across from a park with a very high homeless population and in an area known for drug deals, theft, vandalism, and organized crime so it is very common to be stolen from (has happened to me several times).

They have borderline stalked me (sat in car outside my front yard, had their friends do the same), come outside anytime I exit the house and follow me along the fenceline, broken into my yard repeatedly, continually attempt to harm my animals, throw large rocks (7-9 inch diameter) at my animals, shoot fireworks 5 feet from the fenceline, get beligerantly drunk and then drive their atvs along the fenceline (whilst wasted) to scare my animals at 2-3 am, try to call my dog over, yell at my animals through the fenceline, and have called animal control 4 times (I have a rescue horse who was abandoned and neglected; he is in recovery, but still skinny. Nothing has ever happened because the animals are visibly well-cared for), etc.

When they started harassing the horses (going up too the fence, yelling, banging on the fence) I installed video cameras fixed on the horses, and put additional fencing and shade-cloth up. The neighbors were upset and told me to remove the cameras and fencing, and tried to get the city involved in removal of the shade cloth (claiming their cat might climb the fence and be injured) all unsuccessfully. They then cut the fence with wirecutters to break in (first break-in). I called the police, and put my horses on board at a nearby stable to protect them.

After a month and a half on board, one of the main aggressors moved out of the house, so I brought my horses back and things were okay for a while. The neighbors stilled stalked me a bit, but the animals were okay.

Then, the agressor moved back in and climbed the fence to break in to one of my horses paddocks. I saw him and recorded the incident, and he jumped back over when I started going out to him. Police came again, gave him a verbal warning for trespassing.

I moved the horses to stalls and decided on no turn out to keep them away from the fence line at all costs.

Then out of the blue two of my horses nearly had to be put down due to injuries I suspect were caused by the neighors. I heard them talking about the mechanisms of injury very loudly following the incidents (both very, very unsual, close together, and occured at 2-3 a.m). I also saw someone in the yard both nights, but cannot legally prove it was them. Police have gotten involved (repeatedly) but say there is nothing they can do despite pictures/videos/some admissions by neighors.

They have also repeatedly expressed interest in taking my horses, and recently have parked a new horse trailer near a gate they have usen to break in previously, despite having no animals other than a cat, and no set-up for horses. I am now extremely paranoid that they will attempt to steal my horses.

Now, my emergency funds are nearly drained. I had to pay board + feed at another stable for 4 horses, two emergency vet calls (one on a holiday weekend a 4:00 a.m. while my vet had the flu), plus 5-6 medications, and supplies for a 3.5 month recovery for one horse and a 5 month recovery for the other (which included casts), materials for fencing, cameras, motion lights, having stalls re-done (to move them further from the fenceline), and around 9 vet check-ups during recovery (I admit I was a bit overzelous/ paranoid about the healing process). Not to mention dealing with animal control, the police, and not being able to sleep at night due to stress on top of a full-time job, school, and life in general.

The neighborhood is also just awful in general, I have seen drug deals, police helicopters chasing a murderer down the street, guns being pulled, mafia activity, being yelled at and threatened by homeless men, theft, and other sketchy things in this neighborhood and I just can’t take it anymore. All I can think about everyday is that I have to get my horses out of here. I feel like every day is going to be the day I just lose it, and I feel like every day they are here is another day I am failing them. I would prefer to move out of the area rather than just downgrading to an appartment and boarding, but I will do what I have to.

The problem is, I am also in college and set to go across the country for one semester this August, then back to CA for spring semester, and then I plan to transfer colleges, so I don’t know where I will be. I feel like I have to go across country because it is a beyond incredible (life-changing) career opportunity, but I don’t think I could afford to take my animals across country to the D.C. area for 5 months, and then move two more times. I only have a few thousand saved for them right now, although I am getting another job soon.

Currently, I plan to let rescue horse go to a family friend who adores him to make sure I can afford my other three, and to board my three near my family while I am in D.C. and at school in spring and then move them with me wherever I end up transferring. Although I do not want to put their training on hold, I feel that their safety and health must come first, and I worry about the cost and stress of such frequent, far moves.

Unfortunately, no one in my family supports this, and says keep them here. My mother, who has had horses her entire life, along with several family friends with horses are calling me crazy for considering moving over this, and some do not believe the severity of the situation. My mother in particular has seen the severity of the situation firsthand, but maintains that I should suck it up to stay close to family and save money. My trainer also has said, “well it’s less than ideal but it is what it is.”

I just need some advice as to how to move forward. Do I say forget the career opportunity and transferring and just board them nearby while I get an appartment? Or do I stick with my original plan? Do I commit to moving them across country three times within 12 months? Is there reasonable board in the metro area? Any advice or perspective would be appreciated; my trainer and family and making me feel like I’m making a big deal about something typical, but when I write out what has happened, I can’t help but feel amazed something else hasn’t happened already. TIA

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Yikes, I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. And FWIW, I don’t think you’re overreacting. Having said that, this isn’t anything I have any experience in dealing with so I’ll let the COTH hivemind do it’s thing.

For the record though, I think I’d be hotwiring ALL the things in response. If someone were out to harm my animals, I’d be out for blood (I know that won’t be the popular opinion here, but just had to put it out there!).

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Ok.

For a young person, career opportunities come first. They come over horses and they come over family. Career opportunities are the building blocks that will let you live, in future, in a safe neighborhood and escape the conflicting demands of your parents

It is very hard to have horses in college, and especially once you need to be mobile, unless you have unlimited wealth. Many of us sold our horses in college. I would suggest rehoming all of them if you can, or finding a safe remote pasture board to park them.

At this point it doesn’t really matter how this situation evolved but you need to get out like yesterday. Going forward, think a lot about where you end up living and who your neighbors are. As you’ve found, police are not very useful at policing interpersonal chaos though I am sure when your neighbors finally crack and shoot you ten times in the head, the SWAT team and helicpter will come out and do their thing.

Many of us have also run into toxic neighbors and have learned the hard way that cheap rent often doesn’t make up for living in a druggy neighborhood. Get out. These meth heads have nothing to lose, and they may target you next.

Anyhow your horses right now are hampering your ability to make career choices, afford your life, make healthy life choices, and get some distance from unsympathetic parents.

Rehome the horses, travel light, look to the future and get out of Meth County.

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(QFP)

From what you’ve written, it does sound like a serious situation, and I don’t think any combination of hot wiring, fencing, cameras, or lights will make your horses safe. Or you! Once you’re on bad terms with the neighbors, it rarely improves.

From your description, I would consider putting your horses’ training on hold a very, very minor point. As you noted, their health and safety definitely need to come first.

Can you free lease your three for the next year or two? That might be ideal. Even if you only lease out one or two of the three, it would help.

Consider whether you should sell one or more of these three as well.

I think it would be much more sensible to leave them in one spot for the next year, rather than moving them around the country three times in 12 months. Sell, lease, or find a boarding situation near where you are, near your family, or where you plan to end up — whichever is most practical regarding having someone you trust keep an eye on them and cost-wise)— and where you can leave them safely for the next year or longer.

And no, do not count on finding reasonable board in the DC metro area! Depending on what you’re looking for, of course, but between adding in a high cost of living area, few choices, obscene amounts of traffic, what you consider reasonable board may not be available at all. If you’re looking for field board, your best bet may be to look at least 2 to 3 hours away from DC to find lower cost options.

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Find a place to stash the horses for the next year or so, ASAP; revisit selling or leasing when you get out of this situation. Right now I’m sure it feels like you’re all in it together and I can see how it would be hard to envision selling/rehoming them now. However, if that doesn’t seem terrible to you right now, do it. Otherwise, stash them in another safe place. I’d move out at the same time as the horses and list it ASAP. You and the horses are in an unlivable place in my book. Stress and risk, no thanks. Pack up.

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Yikes. I feel for you, OP. What an awful situation.

May I ask why you have four horses? You mention rehoming the rescue horse. That’s a smart idea and will help free up some of your resources. What about the other three? I totally get it if rehoming any of them is off the table (I’ve had horses that were “lifers” with me too), but if it IS possible to find homes (maybe even temporary ones…leases?) for them, that would seriously make your life so much easier. Keep one and board, find homes/situations for the other two (and the rescue as you mentioned), and put your place on the market as soon as you can.

I wish I had better advice. I don’t blame you for wanting to get out.

ETA: I wanted to add that sometimes in life we find ourselves in situations that force us to make decisions we never thought we’d make and do things we never thought we’d do. And those can be some of the hardest decisions we make and things we do in our lives. They often also open up new worlds of opportunity and happiness. I think you’re at one of those times, OP. Best of luck to you!

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Yes, that’s a horrible, dangerous situation and you need to get out, like, now.

Look at your priorities.

Scribbler is right, at your stage in life, preparing for your future is key. I can’t improve on what they said; please consider it.

When I was in college and the career development years, having a dog greatly limited my mobility, living situations, and, therefore, career opportunities and development. Horses? Four horses? Carting them around the country with you and paying a trainer? No. Doesn’t work.

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I had one horse that travelled with me in college and beyond. One might be doable. Three? Nope. Leasing them sounds like a good option unless they’re green (you mentioned their training). If they’re green, you might need to sell them. The horse market is strong right now. Finished horses cost a lot, but experienced people are more likely to buy green horses because they’re more affordable. I would not risk that much travel with young, green animals. If there’s one steady type horse you can ride, look at boarding options in DC. I mean this. Talk to boarding barns before you move. You might need to get on a waitlist for a barn. You’ll have quite the commute to find a decent facility with turnout, but if it keeps you sane, and you can afford it, go for it. You should not pass up on the opportunity.

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Agreed with the sentiments shared so far.

Don’t miss the career opportunity regardless of the things trying to keep you stuck close to home.

Are you taking out student loans to fund these horses? If so, please think very carefully about the compounding interest that lies ahead and minimize money you are taking for anything but the necessities of school.

I would be working to rehome or sell all the horses and keep your focus tightly on school and being best positioned to establish the kind of career that will allow you to have horses again in the future.

Just to say it directly-this is NOT a normal or safe living situation for people or animals. It’s not something you need to just toughen up and deal with!

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Tall privacy fence + “no trespassing” signs + the cameras you already own, and you have a very strong legal case. Especially if the neighbor is, uh, leading horses off your property and on to their newly acquired horse trailer.

Putting horses’ training on hold for 5 months or however long it takes to finish school is not a big deal.

Please forgive my skepticism, but all of this doesn’t seem very rooted in reality. Some time away to focus on your education and career may do you good.

“Is there reasonable board in the metro area?” That depends on what you consider reasonable. Close to DC, board is very expensive. If you are willing to take on a long-ish commute to the boarding barn, you can find more reasonable board. I live less than 90 minutes (without traffic) from DC and you can find board at ~$400/month in my area, which I consider reasonable. But that means signing up for 3 hours of driving round trip with serious traffic considerations at peak travel times.

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I don’t think you’re crazy at all for wanting to move away from that area and those neighbors. But I agree that with everything else going on in your life you will probably need to downsize on horses to one or two, unless they are good candidates for a lease. If they are, then I’d find someone to lease them and I’d leave them in your current area until you’re done moving around and have settled somewhere. Actually, even if you can’t find a lease for them I’d look for a bare-bones (but good care) type boarding situation where you can leave them for the duration. It will be easier and cheaper than dragging them across the country a bunch of times, and also not as stressful for the horses.

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I think the smart choice would be to find pasture board far away, take them there, and let them chill for a year.

I understand what you are saying about training, but you are going to be busy for the next year yourself, and moving a lot. So turn them out. There are places for them to go that will be unknown to those neighbors, and the worry will be off your plate. They will survive just fine for a year or so.

In the mean time, plant Blackberry bushes on your exterior fences. Let them grow and mature over the next couple years. Then string up a second layer of fencing (perhaps just hotwire if your horses will respect that) to keep the horses away from the bushes when/if you return to the property. Big blackberry bushes will discourage your neighbors from climbing thru fencing. USE that year you are away to get them established.

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You have already come up with the best solution.^^^^^

Are you renting or do you own your current place?

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All of your “alternatives” deal with where/how to keep the horses. It sounds to me like you’re stuck in the mentality of a teenager who lives with horses and goes to high school.

Time to change your focus to how to build the best future for you. You’ve already made some choices of where to go to college, but not how. It involves freeing your mental energy to learn, not just survive; freeing your time to get the most out of your college experience; and establishing some sort of financial security to reduce stress and worry. This continues through your career development years.

It’s time to work at the current phase of your life, career development. Putting having several horses first, above even your own safety, is not a rational decision. Your horses’ well-being doesn’t seem to be as much of a consideration, as you let them be harassed and two get almost-fatally injured, you say, in order that you can live with a bunch of horses. Harsh, but it sure seems to be true.

You need to be mobile and, as Scribbler so wisely said, travel light. Don’t spend your time, energy, and money hanging on to what you liked about the previous phase of your life.

Look to what you can do in the future. Grow, develop, learn, become financially and professionally developed and, perhaps, take up horses again when you’re in a place to take care of them properly. You’re not there now.

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I can’t believe this attitude ? I don’t even know you and I want you to leave .

Do you have any horse friends who would consider doing a temporary free lease type situation? The horses will be split up but if they are ridable or you have friends willing to do it while you are gone?

Then when you are back you can proceed. I would sell your place ( if it can be done) and either plan on boarding once you get back or find a property that you can afford when you are going to stay put.

Nobody should have neighbors like this. Certainly shouldn’t have to live like this on a daily basis.

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Your mother and your trainer both have a vested interest in keeping you dependent and close to home. Not all parents are supportive of their children growing wings and becoming free. This is especially true if the parents did not attend college, or move around a lot, or get into a nationally mobile professional life.

One way parents sabotage young adult children is to keep them tied to expensive parts of their childhood that limits options or make them remain dependent on parents for economic and physical support. That keeps you in a childlike relationship to them.

I had rather erratic controling parents and a horse, and they gave me some financial support when I moved out during college, but not much. I never in my whole life from age 14 on asked my parents for advice about where to keep my horses, and I never, after I moved out and was self supporting in college, asked them for advice about where to rent. They didn’t even really want to see the places I was living (which were typical college student options).

I did a spontaneous one day move after I realized the basement suite was now infested with bikers. (It was also legitimately haunted, but that’s another story).

I had a very good eye early on for the dividing line between bluff old cowboy and creepy alcoholic lame horse shit show.

In college, my sister and I had our horses on pasture semi retirement. We sometimes went and looked at cheap rental houses on acreage in blighted suburban- rural areas, holding properties for future construction. What I called Darkness on the Edge of Town. And were always spooked off the idea. We knew how vulnerable two young college girls with horses would be on a back road. It turns out we didn’t really want to live in a Bruce Springsteen song.

This was before meth, before crack, even before indoor grow ops, but the Edge of Town was still full of Hell’s Angels and assorted creeps. We could very easily have ended up neighbors with Robert Pickton who turned out to have been hosting barn parties for 40 years for the bikers while privately murdering skid road hookers and feeding them to his pigs. Google Robert Pickton Canada’s Worst Serial Killer if true crime interests you. To this day, his brother still has acreage in the area though the actual pig farm is now condos.

Anyhow, I bring this up to say that those low cost rental acreages in rural poverty pockets with out of control trash neighbors are no place for a college kid with horses. You can’t prevail against meth heads, bikers, or serial killers.

It’s possible your adult advisers think you aren’t doing your best to get along on the Edge of Town. But guess what? You don’t have to. Perhaps somebody older and bluffer could achieve harmony with Meth County, at least for a while. But you can’t, and being young makes you a target. And guess what? You don’t have to stay

You are going to college in order that you don’t have to live on abandoned acreage in Meth County. In order that you never have to deal with people like this again, except if you choose to become a criminal lawyer, public prosecutor or social worker.

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I had the same thought. Hotwire all the way

Somehow I feel like the OP doesn’t own the property. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the property belongs to a family member. And OP is getting a great deal, and family is acting like she’s ungrateful for the support and they think she’s at fault for the neighbors who never gave Uncle Bob any trouble when he lived there. That would be an example of the kind of family support that’s undermining and gaslighting and doesn’t take into account that a young college student alone (I assume) on acreage in Meth County is going to be a target. I don’t know if OP is male or female, the dynamics would be different in either case, but could easily be a target.

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This

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It’s absolutely a situation that a young adult could find themselves in. As I said up thread, I was only one impulse decision away from getting into a similar situation, and if I’d been more invested in horses and less in the cool alternative punky urban college scene (which ultimately triumphed for my attention) I might easily have rented cheap property on the edge of town (it still existed back then) and drifted away from college, until I ended up murdered by my creepy neighbors.

Especially if my parents were more involved and enabling my horse life for their own reasons. Lots of young women drop out of college to stay with horses, just as lots (like me) stop riding in young adulthood in order to be immersed in college stuff.

I don’t think the OP is being realistic about the situation or their options, but that’s also very typical when you are just starting out. You just don’t know how things work. You want to have it all and end up with nothing.

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