Felbinac is in the list of substances that FEI test for in voluntary post-arrival testing. I think it must be assumed she did not participate in that. Why would one not want to take advantage of that? Especially if your horse had been given a topically applied NSAID in the past.
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Maybe we’re just ignorants at our farm (possible), but I just asked 3 different people and no one has heard of this substance. Is there a brand name that it’s commonly known as, or a familiar product name that contains it?[/QUOTE]
Traxam Gel
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Ridgeback and apologize is the same as asking Salinero to Halt :D[/QUOTE]
Touche! :winkgrin:
Traxam
Is a human prescribed pharmaceutical. Is there an equine version of it?
How does it work?
Felbinac belongs to a group of medicines called non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
It works by blocking the production of a chemical (prostaglandin) which the body produces in response to injury or certain diseases. This prostaglandin would otherwise go on to cause swelling, pain and inflammation.
All the medicines in this group reduce inflammation caused by the body’s own immune system and are effective pain killers.
Felbinac is applied to the skin surface (topically) for the relief of local pain and inflammation. It is used in many muscular and joint conditions such as in sprains, strains, rheumatism, and mild arthritic conditions.
The gel form of this medicine may be used in ultrasound as a coupling agent.
I wonder if it’s easily passable from human (who might have used it on themselves) to horse. Seems so unlikely, but who knows?
I didn’t know it was in ultrasound gel. Is it possible they regularly use an ultrasound therapy machine on the horse after hard workouts? And didn’t think that something like this might be in the gel? Hmm.
Equibrit,
Is there an equine version of it?
I think it has been detected more in race horses - for soft tissue injuries.
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How does it work?
Felbinac belongs to a group of medicines called non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
It works by blocking the production of a chemical (prostaglandin) which the body produces in response to injury or certain diseases. This prostaglandin would otherwise go on to cause swelling, pain and inflammation.
All the medicines in this group reduce inflammation caused by the body’s own immune system and are effective pain killers.
Felbinac is applied to the skin surface (topically) for the relief of local pain and inflammation. It is used in many muscular and joint conditions such as in sprains, strains, rheumatism, and mild arthritic conditions.
The gel form of this medicine may be used in ultrasound as a coupling agent.[/QUOTE]
Equibrit, please cite your source as this is not your original language but is taken from elsewhere. I assume this is inadvertent on your part.
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Is a human prescribed pharmaceutical. Is there an equine version of it?[/QUOTE]
After reading the description of it I wondered that if a person used it then ‘laid hands’ on a horse if the substance would transfer.
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Anyone else waiting for Ridgeback to apologize for saying that only show jumpers bend the rules?
It’s a bummer.[/QUOTE]
Hey BLBGP don’t hold your breath and learn to read:lol: Here is what I said,
'That is why you saw quite a few lame/uneven horses in dressage they tend not to break the rules like the show jumpers but many could have used a little help."
Do you understand what that means:lol::lol::lol: Show me where I used the word ONLY…I wish people would read…SIGH hee hee
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The gel form of this medicine may be used in ultrasound as a coupling agent.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. You’d think they’d think of this, but I might have missed it, since I would have expected the gel itself to be inert.
Then again, I think of shampoo as inert.
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Ridgeback and apologize is the same as asking Salinero to Halt :D[/QUOTE]
HEE HEE funny freestyle when you PM’d me recently I asked you no less then twice what I had done to piss you off and you never responded…I’m thinking you are one of those highly “senstitive” men, get his feelings hurt and acts like a two year old…:eek:
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Touche! :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Please show me what I need to apologize for and if you would actually reseach before opening your mouth you’d see I have apologized several times on this board…
:lol: I don’t apologize when people read into things that are not there…No reason for me to apologize for THEIR ignorance…
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Please show me what I need to apologize for and if you would actually reseach before opening your mouth you’d see I have apologized several times on this board…:lol:[/QUOTE]
Aww, RB, I just thought it was a cute comeback about Salinero; don’t zap me, my chuckle wasn’t personal to you cause I don’t even know what you said. Coulda been anybody and I would have said “Touche.”
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Aww, RB, I just thought it was a cute comeback about Salinero; don’t zap me, my chuckle wasn’t personal to you cause I don’t even know what you said. Coulda been anybody and I would have said “Touche.”[/QUOTE]
Ok then I sincerely apologize…
see I can do it
Some reading for you:
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=11454
If drugs can transfer from bedding and show up on a test, then it seems likely they can transfer from boots/wraps, grooming tools, etc. So contamination may have happened during a perfectly appropriate use of the drug in the past and is now showing up in the super-sensitivity FEI testing.
star
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Ok then I sincerely apologize… see I can do it[/QUOTE]
9.8 for the apology! (We never give 10’s doncha see.)
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9.8 for the apology! (We never give 10’s doncha see.)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the 9.8:)
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I’m sure this will be unpopular, but…
If you are putting in the time and money and energy to go to the Olympics, you better damn well know the rules. The coach, the rider, the grooms, the owners, etc. all need to know. Yes, individual horses may take longer to clear a substance, but my feeling is that if you don’t know exactly what is in the creams, ointments, rubs, treats, etc., then you are too far removed from the care of the horse you are competing on. There is a zero-tolerance policy for the Olympics - you just have to take it very seriously if you want to compete there.
The Hong Kong labs are world class, and the B samples are processed by a completely different lab. They did their jobs and detected the substances on their list of drugs to test for. I’m amazed at the negative comments towards the labs here because they did their jobs.
Over 150 over-the-counter “nutritional” supplements can bounce a human athlete out of the Olympics and China did a mass campaign to warn their citizens that herbal remedies can also make them test positive. Avoiding substances that test positive is a challenge for humans and horses alike.
It is a shame for Courtney King because she’s just the highest profile member of the horse’s team. The grooms, the coach, the owners, and pretty much anyone else who had contact with the horse that could have exposed it to an illegal substance share in the responsibility. She certainly wouldn’t be the first high-profile rider to have discovered that someone accidentally used the wrong cream on the horse and it tested positive and she unfortunately won’t be the last. But this is where a concerted effort needs to be made to everyone involved with the horse to ensure that banned substances simply aren’t used close enough to test time that they might enhance their performance.[/QUOTE]
J-Lu, you aren’t unpopular with me, your statement is totally logical. Thanks for posting.
I agree with SLC that if this was a previously “tarnished” rider in the eyes of the BB members, the weight of posts in support of the rider vs those critical of the rider would be very different.
According to the FDA website felbinac is not approved in the US, but Courtney could have easily acquired it while in Europe (there is apparently a human and a veterinary product). As could have anyone else in contact with the horse, intentionally or unintentionally applying it, whether it was at a time that was assumed to be a long enough withdrawal or whether it was applied at a time when it was meant to illegally benefit the horse during the Olympics. There are so many possible scenarios and hopefully due process will make one clear. Its crazy for anyone to jump to conclusions at this point.
