Are they fencing their entire yard? If it’s their entire yard, then they will not be able to easily continue the run of fence once they are off your fence line posts, they will be having to install some kind of posts from there. Seems it would be easiest to for them to use the same kind of posts for their whole yard and install their fence on their side of your fence would be easiest and logical if connecting to the rest of their fencing.
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which begs the question – why on earth can’t they train or leash their dog?
$15 stake at petsmart. beats $$$$ on fencing and vet bills later on.[/QUOTE]
Because we want to be good neighbors. Am I really supposed to say too bad, so sad, my fence was here first, so you can tie your dog out? My dogs don’t want to be tethered. They want to enjoy their property and keep their animals safe, just as we want to enjoy our property and keep our horses and dogs safe. I don’t want to be a jerk. I actually like our neighbors.
My concern is if your horses have shoes on and they get their hoof thru the fence and get their shoe hung up on the wire fence.
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Are they fencing their entire yard? If it’s their entire yard, then they will not be able to easily continue the run of fence once they are off your fence line posts, they will be having to install some kind of posts from there. Seems it would be easiest to for them to use the same kind of posts for their whole yard and install their fence on their side of your fence would be easiest and logical if connecting to the rest of their fencing.[/QUOTE]
This is an honest question. Would it be safe to have the fence like this:
woven wire - fence post - rails
Posts are probably 8" diameter
I’m worried about a leg getting caught in the space between the wire and a rail. Am I worrying too much?
That would be my concern too, especially if your horses have shoes on, shoes can easily get hung up on wire fences, I know from experience.
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I think there is a very big difference between the double mesh used at high end horse facilities and the $50 100ft role of 2x4 found at Home Depot that I bet you money the OP’s neighbors are thinking of.
I personally do not like wire and when/if I have my own facility, will not use it. I much prefer boards because in case of emergency, wood always breaks. Wire does not.
I witnessed a horse get stuck a few years ago in a wire fence (it was at a TB/polo breeding facility in SC) and the resulting injury was absolutely catastrophic. It was the top-board/post/wire combination that is really popular in the Southern States. Looks nice too. Anyway, we were there looking at a failed polo-prospect that my friend wanted to ride to see if it had event material. While she was riding the horses in the paddock adjacent to the ring started acting up once she started jumping. One of the horses was galloping and bucking alongside the fence and the next thing we knew he somersaulted with his hind shoe caught in the wire. He panicked and flew back and started taking the wire with him - boards and staples were popping off and it sounded like champagne bottles popping except so much more catastrophic. He tried to spin and run and was traveling with over twenty feet of wire and boards attached to him. He kept tripping over the boards as he went, panicked the other horses in the field (who then escaped into the ring) and galloped recklessly trying to buck off the trail of wire until he fell and crashed. By that time the barn help was there with leads and the wire was cut from his leg. He completely degloved himself from the hind cannon to the pastern… The miracle of the story is that he actually stepped on the board nails but somehow completely missed puncturing any important structures; he did wear a hospital plate for a long time after that. My point being is that when they get stuck, they don’t just take the board with them like they would in a wood-only fence – they take the entire fence until the wire roll runs out.
Anyway, a lot goes wrong in only 20 seconds. So much that I would rather have something break when a horse comes in contact with it over something that doesn’t break at all.[/QUOTE]
So, I can tell you horror stories of horses impaled on wood board fencing also, I would not have those around and don’t.
I know of one horse that tried to jump out, hit the top board with his shoulder and flipped over it while degloving that leg from his shoulder to his knee.
Horses only respect wood board fences until they don’t or panic, then they run thru them like they are not there and wood is not kind to horse bodies and treated/painted wood splinters cause problems for long time in the wounds that are trying to heal.
Those that have many horses, broodmare farms especially, use V-mesh as the gold standard for safe fencing.
Yes, those a horse with shoes can hang a shoe and get in a wreck, but most any other way a horse will hit that wire, it will just bounce back.
I think that any fence is a compromise with the horses you will have there and how you will manage them and knowing that nothing is really safe if a horse panics or gets hung on any fencing.
As for the OP, how long is the fence they are wanting to build onto yours?
If not very long, why do they not get chain link dog fence and make their own dog yard not quite up on the horse fence, if that makes sense there?
We have portable 16’ x 6’ chain link fence panels for dogs, that we have moved around as we needed, that make very good, large dog pens, right now have 160’ square as yard fence on two sides of the house.
Just have them think more options than right on your fence, if that bothers you.
The OP said the existing fence is on the property line.
The only answer at this point is for the OP to look into the laws of a shared fence where the OP is, then the OP will know what they are allowed to demand and what they are not allow to demand.
I am thinking with a shared fence the OP does not really have the right to demand much and it is nice that the neighbors are trying very hard to accommodate the OP.
It does not sound like the neighbor wants a small kennel for their dog, they want to fence their yard.
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The OP said the existing fence is on the property line.
The only answer at this point is for the OP to look into the laws of a shared fence where the OP is, then the OP will know what they are allowed to demand and what they are not allow to demand.
I am thinking with a shared fence the OP does not really have the right to demand much and it is nice that the neighbors are trying very hard to accommodate the OP.
It does not sound like the neighbor wants a small kennel for their dog, they want to fence their yard.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I didn’t explain that well, we have the yard fenced, not a small kennel:
They want to use around 220’ of the shared fenceline. A lot of wire to worry about moving to replace a broken board.
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They want to use around 220’ of the shared fenceline. A lot of wire to worry about moving to replace a broken board.[/QUOTE]
To replace a broken board, all you would have to do is to loosen the wire for a bit on each side and take the broken one out and slide the new one in.
I would be more worried about that kind of wire on the horse side, unless it is good, horse wire.
I like the idea of adding some way to make the fence hot, so the horses won’t even get close to that.
That brings other maintenance problems, hot fences tend not to be that reliable either, unless paid close attention to.
With any kind of wire mesh fencing, that it is very secure is important, not sure wire mesh on your board fence would be that secure that it won’t pull out easily if someone gets hung on it?
Whatever happens, just remember: no good deed goes unpunished.
Is the fence directly on the property line or inside the property line entirely on your side? Is there a legal recorded survey?
Whatever you do, my advice is to make it legal.
This has NOTHING to do with being “neighborly”.
Part of the shared line is my riding arena, hot wire is NOT an option.
In the OP, you say it is a section of the perimeter fence… Is it really just a perimeter fence, or is it actual paddock or ring fencing? How much access a horse would have to it would influence my opinion.
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So, I can tell you horror stories of horses impaled on wood board fencing also, I would not have those around and don’t.
I know of one horse that tried to jump out, hit the top board with his shoulder and flipped over it while degloving that leg from his shoulder to his knee.
Horses only respect wood board fences until they don’t or panic, then they run thru them like they are not there and wood is not kind to horse bodies and treated/painted wood splinters cause problems for long time in the wounds that are trying to heal.
Those that have many horses, broodmare farms especially, use V-mesh as the gold standard for safe fencing.
Yes, those a horse with shoes can hang a shoe and get in a wreck, but most any other way a horse will hit that wire, it will just bounce back.
I think that any fence is a compromise with the horses you will have there and how you will manage them and knowing that nothing is really safe if a horse panics or gets hung on any fencing.
As for the OP, how long is the fence they are wanting to build onto yours?
If not very long, why do they not get chain link dog fence and make their own dog yard not quite up on the horse fence, if that makes sense there?
We have portable 16’ x 6’ chain link fence panels for dogs, that we have moved around as we needed, that make very good, large dog pens, right now have 160’ square as yard fence on two sides of the house.
Just have them think more options than right on your fence, if that bothers you.[/QUOTE]
Of course, we are in complete agreement here. I think any type of enclosure will pose a risk to a horse at some point – and let’s admit it; horses can get themselves hurt or killed on anything. Wire does not, IME, have any more “bounce back” than wood - if a horse collides with a fence, wooden or wire, it’s still going to go down. The difference is the wire usually stays/gets stuck on/with the horse while the wood usually splits or breaks under pressure.
I would rather wood, it is just my experience. I’ve seen horses get impaled by wood too – I even had a boarder horse that was NQR for a long time and owners extracted a 7" long stake of wood from her chest - it had been there for years and years well before my care. They were surprised when they saw the x-ray!
My reasoning is that wood breaks, and wire does not – I’ve seen worse go by quicker with wire than I have with wood… IME when horses decide they want to go through wood they do, and don’t carry the fence with them when they do. No fence is guaranteed to keep a horse in, period. We even had a boarder horse jump out a 7ft retaining wall once.
It’s possible Op could meet a conclusion that pleases both parties and keeps her horses safe… and the dogs safe. I just know if my neighbors asked me if they could put wire on my fence to keep in their dogs I’d laugh… it has nothing to do with being neighborly… What’s next, is the farm next to me going to ask me if they can use our fence to keep in their pigs? How ridiculous would that be?
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Part of the shared line is my riding arena, hot wire is NOT an option.[/QUOTE]
Wire mesh could also be a liability, if a horse were to step into it?
We try not to ride right next to any wire fencing of any kind.
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In the OP, you say it is a section of the perimeter fence… Is it really just a perimeter fence, or is it actual paddock or ring fencing? How much access a horse would have to it would influence my opinion.[/QUOTE]
The fenceline is my arena/sacrifice lot and part of a pasture. It is not a large property, every available area is in use for the horses.
Check my thread about shared fence lines… I’ve decided against, and feel better about it.
However, if it’s shared, you can’t stop them from attaching 2x4 to their side. Sorry. And yes, I do sort of think you are being unreasonable. Can a horse stick a foot between a board and the wire? Yes. Is it very likely? Not any more than any other way that horses enjoy maiming themselves.
I would want no climb fencing between the posts and boards. Realize also that this mesh needs to be stretched so you will need additional bracing on your existing fence line.
I would not go for anything over the boards, mesh on other side of posts with an added top board would be last option. Will still require aforementioned bracing.
If the wire is on their side, maybe it won’t be that dangerous to your horses?
If one were to stick a foot between wire on their side and board on yours, would the board break or come loose, any different than if there was no wire on their side?
Are they going to fence the whole yard, I assume, or just that part of it?
I like that you are trying to get along with them.
Just take your time figuring this out, don’t worry too much, it will be ok no matter what both of you decide, life is rarely “perfct”.
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It’s possible Op could meet a conclusion that pleases both parties and keeps her horses safe… and the dogs safe. I just know if my neighbors asked me if they could put wire on my fence to keep in their dogs I’d laugh… it has nothing to do with being neighborly… What’s next, is the farm next to me going to ask me if they can use our fence to keep in their pigs? How ridiculous would that be?[/QUOTE]
In Ohio it would be perfectly legal. And if and affidavit had been filed for the fence work I could go back and bill my neighbor for a portion of the fence. Even in this scenario I could charge the neighbor for a portion of the fence, but the old owners never recorded the fence line. This is the disadvantage of using all of your property.
