Fencing - Am I wrong?

[The_Centaurian]

I vote for easygoing neighborliness. I think the wire on the neighbors’ side (with staples) sounds like the simplest and most reasonable solution. Not sure I would want the fence installer guys/gals on “my” side to replace boards and such, especially not with nails/staples.

Sure, it would “look nicer” to have the wire under the boards, but I think you’re taking a tremendous risk to take your boards off and put them back on again-- not only because it will unnecessarily degrade your posts and boards, but also because there’s a very good chance you will lose some “sharps” and of course your horses will find them with their feet on the day before they ship out for the Olympics. Because, horses.

The chance of catching a shoe on the wire, IMHO, is the same whether the wire is underneath the boards or on the other side of the posts.

[OTTBs]

The chance of catching a shoe on the wire, IMHO, is the same whether the wire is underneath the boards or on the other side of the posts.
Beat me to it!

[AQHA4me]

[QUOTE=js;8999492]
That would be my concern too, especially if your horses have shoes on, shoes can easily get hung up on wire fences, I know from experience.[/QUOTE]

I’m not worried about shoes getting caught, I’m thinking about the extra labor required to replace a broken fence board if my fence boards are sandwiched between the posts and the wire.

[beau159]

Posted by AQHA4me:
Am I being a crazy demanding lady to say the wire fence needs to be between the posts and my rails?

Nope. Because I’m the crazy demanding lady that would tell my neighbor (nicely) to put up their own dog fence and leave my fence the way it is.

For myself personally, I will NEVER have a shared fence with a neighbor. It does nothing but create conflict if the two parties are not in agreement on maintenance or future changes.

So I guess if you do want to open that can of worms with your neighbor, go right ahead. I myself would not. You can still be good neighbors to each other, but have separate fences.

However, it does complicate things that “your” fence sits directly on the property line. You will need to check your county and/or state laws. It may not really be “your” fence if it is exactly on the property line.

Hubby and I bought some land (130 acres) last year. Currently we rent it to someone who grazes their cattle on it. Future plans are for a house and a barn (and my horses) but that won’t be for a few years. When we bought the land, there is a shared fenceline on the west side. All summer, neighbors cows kept getting into our pasture. Renter offered to put up a brand new fence for us on the west side (creating a double fence) if we bought the materials, because it is that big of an issue. I decided to get the land surveyed before we put the fence in, to ensure we knew where the property line was.

Well, good thing we got it surveyed. It wasn’t too bad on the north end, but by the south end it was about 100 feet off. I might add NOT in our favor. Oh well, it stinks, but at least I know where our property line is for sure. Then we placed the fence 4 feet inside of that line, so the fence is OURS and ours alone.

Neighbor offered to do a shared fence again when I called him to let him know, but I nicely told him I’d rather keep seperate fences with a buffer space in-between. And he was fine with that. You can have separate fences and still be neighborly.

[Mango20]

I think I would also require that they sandwich the wire between the posts and the boards if they wanted to use my existing fence. I have that in my backyard (with the same 4-board fence that’s around the pasture) and it has held up well and looked good (and kept the dogs in) for 17 years now.

[poltroon]

The wire on the not-horse side might be OK. I’d really think about it and look at it and consider the wire they want to use and the board spacing.

Any real horse fence that is safe and will hold up needs to be stretched. Your board fence is not set up to be stretched. The corners aren’t braced for it.

I wouldn’t sandwich it. One, I think it will be too close to your horses, and not high enough quality wire. Two, I think you should consider that pulling the boards off is going to do some damage to the fence. You will either need new nail holes or they will be less grippy. Either way, it won’t be as strong as it was before, plus now you have the wire moving and corroding between the posts and boards, increasing the likelihood of popping a board off.

[judybigredpony]

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OMG…write an agreement that they use 2x4 no climb quality wire and let them staple…yes people fence staples the wire to the fence posts on their side and put a board around top on their side also.Write agreement they are responsible for repair replacement and upkeep of the wire , and if and when a post needs replacing it gets split 50/50…What’s the cluster if fence is on posts and a gap…do you seriously think a horse is going to stick a,foot in there…run electric if the horses are that destructive…Better to Keep Dogs Out and good neighbor relations…Have it attached to their deed that if sold the fence becomes your property …or not…But don t get so hung up on Fence staples,which aren t going to jump into your pasture , the chances of your horses getting in the gap or hung up are slim to none…Where as dogs running in fields are a bigger hassle.
Staples pop off all the time; wire is not a good containment tool for horses. All it takes is a horse to lean on the fence, kick a board, etc. When it rains the wood expands and warps and if a horse leans over the fence to get grass, or tries to anyway, they can easily pull the staples out. A staple in wood doesn’t stand a chance against a horse leaning on the fence. Nevermind horses getting stuck in wire; seen it happen many many times. Nice expensive vet bill waiting to happen.

I think the better solution is for the owners to be responsible for their own dang fence - not ask the OP if they can use HER fence for THEIR dogs.

Are you serious? Good fence staples are barbed and don t just pop out…unless old pinky post…I have used 2x4 no climb for every paddock my previous property and topped with levectric wire and No One pushed it down and maybe 1 shoe came off…I have 4 paddocks of varying size on current farm in 2x4 no climb 2 topped with boards 2’with electric…one is used as the Stallion Turn out worse thing I get is an occasional blanket surcingle come loose and get caught in a fence square and rip out…Good Lord are we talking keeping Feral Equines , wild Buffalo or Clydesdales here…and then the idea of putting a dog on a “Stake” and chain in a yard is beyond comprehension…I sincerely hope,the neighbors just put up their own posts an it over and done with.
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[JanM]

The biggest question I have is what happens to a fence agreement if there is a sale of either property? Can an agreement about the fence be binding on future owners?

[froglander]

I would just put the wire on the neighbor’s side of the fence. Because if you sandwich it, then if there is a problem with the wire, now you have fence boards in the way to be able to repair it.

Also, I would see if they would do woven wire, not welded wire.

[AQHA4me]

Well the problem has been solved. Pushy jerk fence guy convinced neighbors to do their own fence line 2’ inside of their property line. So my horses will continue to have their fence and the neighbors’ dog will be 2’ away from them. I figure it will increase our property value as you won’t need to worry about a barking dog bothering the horses.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=AQHA4me;8999974]
Well the problem has been solved. Pushy jerk fence guy convinced neighbors to do their own fence line 2’ inside of their property line. So my horses will continue to have their fence and the neighbors’ dog will be 2’ away from them. I figure it will increase our property value as you won’t need to worry about a barking dog bothering the horses.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like the best solution there for all.

2’ between fences will be had to keep mowed, who will be in charge of that?

Maybe add a line of hard landscaping there, or some short bushes that don’t need trimming and extra care?

[AQHA4me]

[QUOTE=Bluey;9000052]
Sounds like the best solution there for all.

2’ between fences will be had to keep mowed, who will be in charge of that?

Maybe add a line of hard landscaping there, or some short bushes that don’t need trimming and extra care?[/QUOTE]

It’s set 2’ inside their property line. I can’t add bushes and technically can’t maintain it. I think its a short sighted solution and will hurt their property value. Someone will need to mow etc, but I’m not sure they understand why. I guess I will be buying even more roundup this year and just need to spray a little further out than the far side of my posts.

[BEARCAT]

My worry would have been dogs rushing up to the fence barking/herding while you were riding, since you said you use the space as an arena.
Sounds like the best solution for all parties involved, fence contractor included $$

[JanM]

Sounds like a great solution to me. I think the extra labor involved in the fence/wire/post idea would have cost a ton more, and every time you had to repair or do anything with the fence it would have been a pain.

[clanter]

…our dogs have grown up with the horses and they believe their job is to tell the horses to back off from the fences … to no good, as the horses just do not care about the barking dog telling them to get away from the fence

[AQHA4me]

My terrier barks and barks at my horses when I ride and even if they are turned out. Makes horse showing easy

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=AQHA4me;8999376]
A few more details left out. Wood horse fence is on the property line. Fence is very clearly ours as it surrounds the entire property. Boards are on the inside of the posts so the horses can’t push the boards off. The fence was one thing previous owners did the right way. Ohio has very clear laws regarding ownership and ongoing maintenance. We can file an affidavit which will attach to both properties regarding who owns what part of the fence. They want to add 2"x4" welded wire no climb.

I’m trying to figure out a way to allow them to maximize their property usage as well as protect our fencing, dogs and horses. The wire on wood is something we have for our backyard where our dogs are kept.[/QUOTE]
The fence Mabe clearly “yours” but once it is built on a property line it could be 50% theirs
. Check your county codes. I would let them put a mesh on their side not attached to boards. Won’t effect your repairs except posts. They should need to go all the way up. My neighbors built a fence 6" onto there proprty so they could say it is theirs. I offerd to pay for 50% of the fence and wanted to upgrade. They declined. I now am mowing the 6" of their property which now has legally become the new property line after 10 years. Some people are not too bright.

[wsmoak]

The ‘2"x4" welded wire’ you mention in post 13 is not what I think of as “no climb” or horse fence.

Welded wire is not generally considered horse safe. It isn’t woven mesh, it’s just a grid of wires, spot welded at each junction. Those welds will pop sooner or later depending on if the dogs jump on it and just as it ages. The wires tend to break and leave sharp points.

Let them put it on the back side (their side…) of the fence – that way when they need to replace the wire, they don’t have to mess with your boards.

-Wendy