Fill Me in on Irish Draughts...

Sakura,

I came to the Irish Draught from arabians. My one “leftover” horse is my purebred arabian gelding I’ve had since his birth. I love a good working arabian, and I think your mares are excellent examples of the breed. The RIDxarabians I’ve seen tend to be coarse and thick, with little arabian refinement. I feel the IDSHxarabian would be more the end result you are trying to achieve. I highly recommend Clover Cliste (gortmore’s stallion) to you to look at for your mares. I have met him in person, and loved everything he had to offer. If you are solidly committed to the RID cross, look for a smaller, more refined stallion…like Harkaway Lionhawk or Winmauer Sargent Pepper.

Regarding Macha Breeze…
When I purchased Mac, I was told horror stories about how difficult he was to handle, and how awful his temperament was. I was even called by someone just to warn me about his temperament, someone who still has not met him in person, days before I was to go meet him…although how they found out I was intending to look at him was beyond me.

When I arrived to see him, I saw a lonely horse, one who was starved for a loving touch and basic attention. For the better part of 3 years, he had had his basic needs attended to, but never any love. The other stallion always got to be in a stall at night, handled daily, be worked, go to shows. Never Mac. In all fairness, it’s because of the messy divorce, and the fact that Mac was the wife’s and he was at the husband’s place where the wife wasn’t allowed to be. But the fact remains that he was emotionally neglected when I saw him.

The day I met him, he had a 2’ long mane that was nothing but dreadlocks, his tail was one solid dredlock, and the dirt was at least an inch thick on his skin. The husband nor his trainer would handle the horse for me that day, so another handler was hired by the wife. He seemed so happy to finally be getting some attention, and shoved his head into the halter to leave his paddock. He went to the barn attached to a human in a golfcart, following the golfcart like a champ, never looking around, just focusing on his job.

He handled everything we threw at him that day with dignity and grace. Lunging, flexing, vet exams, everything. He never put a foot wrong, laid his ears back, or showed anything then sheer joy at having attention paid to him.

The day we hauled him home, the clip on the trailer tie broke while in transit. When we stopped for gas, and I opened the door to give him a quick drink. I was suprised to see his head out the back door of the trailer. He thought it was time to exit, so he hopped off before I realized his intent, looked around at all the cars at the busy station, and loaded himself back on the trailer. He knew it wasn’t right, so he corrected it himself. No muss, no fuss, just went about his business.

He was like that for me every day I owned him. He knew he was loved.

I could tell you countless stories how this “bad” stallion loved my family in return.

There was one time I was schooling him in a paddock at our house, and unknown to me, my daughter (3 at the time) ran out to watch. Just as we were galloping by her, she stuck her head and half her body through the fence. I didn’t realize what was going on until Mac slid to a halt, just about dumping me in the process. He nuzzled her head as I re-arranged myself in the saddle and told her to go back inside the house.

He always loved to give my daughter “pony” rides, and loved to get full head hugs and kisses from her. He would lower his head to her height to recieve them. He taught my 12 year old nephew how to ride this past summer. Search youtube for Macha Breeze and Tony to see the video. Big bad stallion indeed. :slight_smile:

I think the best part was seeing him learn how to collect like a gentleman, and that getting in the trailer was not just for breeding. He had never been taught proper manners by his collection handlers, they allowed him to do whatever HE wanted and they allowed him to bully, push, and use his weight to achieve what he wanted to do. It took him being pulled away from the dummy twice to get what he was supposed to act like. After that, he was always a gentleman, and collected with female handlers with just a chain over his nose.

From the beginning, I never had to do more then growl at him to correct his behavior. Within the first few months of owning him, he knew my rules, and didn’t mind following them. He knew I’d be fair and just in my punishment of his incorrect actions, and would go on loving him after the moment passed.

The best compliment I ever received was at a show. I was hosing Mac down in the wash rack after XC, and a lady and her mare came and tied up right in front of him. The lady was talking to her mare, saying things like “You hussy, couldn’t you wait a week to come into heat? You were awful out there today.” The mare squatted and peed right in his face, and he never even acknowledged her. The lady said to me as we were leaving “what a well mannered gelding” and looked like her eyes would bug out of her head when I corrected her.

In my opinion, his temperament speaks for it’s self. To have the worst of starts, through improper handling and training, then to be emotionally neglected for years, and to come out the most loving, trusting, “got your back” horse I’ve ever had the pleasure of working with. Selling him was not a decision I made lightly. I miss him greatly.

As for his foals, I’ve seen photos of most of the 23 he currently has on the ground. I’ve met 8 in person. I bred one myself. I don’t agree with the generalizations of Coppers mom, but everyone is entitled to thier opinions. Thank God we live in America where we are free to express these opinions in a public forum like COTH.

I’m also not looking for a prelim and up horse like Coppers mom seems to be wanting. I’m looking for a family member who will pack my ammy butt around and keep me safe while I’m doing it. One who will live in my backyard and enjoy doing whatever I throw at them…from trail riding, to herding the neighbors cows back to thier pastures when they escape, to keeping me safe on the cross country course. All of Mac’s babies I’ve met have the temperament to do that and beyond.

Thanks for showing up, Megan.
I’m wiping tears a bit now.

To the rest who have not had the pleasure of being loved by an Irish horse - This is NOT an anomalous tale. This is how most of the breed actually IS.
Great huge horses a lot of them may be, and more powerful than you can believe - but they have a sensitivity just as huge, and a deep still inner calm mentality that welcomes you in.

Hi Megan,

What a touching story, thank you for sharing your relationship with Macha Breeze… sometimes a special person to bring out the best in a horse that others have given up on. It was also very interesting to hear that you have a special place in your heart for Arabians… sounds like the ID/IDSH share some of the same personality qualities that Arabian owners love about their horses :). You may be right in that I should look for an IDSH instead of an ID. Clover Cliste is a handsome boy indeed, and I will be keeping an eye on crosscreeksh’s Seattle Blues too (I adore Seattle Slew… used to ride a grandson of his when I lived in Japan… Summit).

:slight_smile:

Steeped in Luck

I am new at this but had to post my own experience.
While apprenticing as a working student for Canadian Dressage team member, Tom Dvorak an unlikely dressage prospect arrived at the stable in the spring of 2007. In a barn filled with sleek European Warmbloods, with world class pedigrees a enormous five year old Registered Irish Draught Stallion with doe eyes, a tail the size of a spruce tree and the largest feet I had ever seen, stole everyone’s heart. Steeped in Luck or Eamon to those who love him, “wanted to be a dressage horse.” In the beginning others found him humorous, a novelty. Then, this past summer he began sweeping Championship Second Level titles away from more “serious” professional competitors. (He was Ontario 2nd Level Champ) His raw power, willingness and (most importantly) heart has won over the respect and love of many “traditional” dressage enthusiasts. His scores of consistent seventies from International FEI Judges validate him as a dressage athlete to the Sport horse sect and his 2007 Championship Stallion Status from the Irish Draught Society verifies his authenticity to the breed. I had the amazing pleasure of riding and grooming this special guy for 2 years (I am now back at University) and miss him tons. His owners are great people (both vet’s) his website for those who are interested is http://www.pairadoxfarm.com

Emy - WOW. I love his foals by the Popeye K mare!! What a stunning RID.

Thanks Kate and Sakura.

I’m going to tell one last story about him, I have alot of memories I’ve written down about him…

Within the first few hours of getting him home, I discovered he would do anything to hear “Good Boy”. Wanting to develop a solid relationship from the ground, I taught him how to bow, and say please for a treat within the first day he was here.

From that day forward, if I insisted on perfect manners, he did them without hesitation. Just to hear “Good Boy”.

When I started riding him, he had the same reaction. Ask for a half pass, get a half pass. Say “Good Boy” and watch him smile. He really did smile. Here is a photo of it…

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/kegansporthorses/?action=view&current=tapestryd.jpg

He sounds like an incredible stallion and from the website, I personally like the look of his offspring. Thank you for sharing such wonderful stories about him, gillenwaterfarm.

Macha Breeze

I also met Macha Breeze and it was before Megan aquired him. He WAS a lonesome boy. I don’t blame anyone. He was a very active very big fellow and just was a lot of young stallion who needed a regular routine and regular work but he was still young and ackward and needed time to grow. In a sense it is almost better that he was left alone as opposed to being handled badly and having to unlearn. It is not at all unusual for young stallions to be like this regardless of the breed. He lived in a paddock at the end of a driveway with horses across the driveway from him. He played raucously with his balls but you needed to throw the balls back in constantly. I would imagine after the divorce he lost the person who loved him the most and made the time for him. His previous owner loved him but he was a lot to handle in hand for her if he would be rambunctious as she was lame herself. He had proven trainability by learning to drive and as someone who has driven it is telling to have driving in your resume as it requires a willing learner. The Macha Breeze’s can be reactive youngsters but I would want to judge them as older horses. This breed tends to collect amateurs expecting very calm horses but sometimes we have horses who need a pro to get them minding and working because they are big and smart. As to talent I also would like to see if they work worked to expectations or worked to what they expected these big horses to be. I have found they DO step up to the plate when they are asked and can look like major dufusses if left to their own. PatO

Irish Draught Society web sites

The US site is first and we are at this point adding newly approved stallions from this years inspections so there will be more stallions posted. Unfortunately I don’t have the Canadian site in my head but there is a Canadian Society as well and I am sure someone will post that.
www.irishdraught.com
www.irishdraught.ie
www.idhsgb.com

From Arabians

My background is Gainey Arabians. I don’t think I would worry excessively about back length but I would want a very up hill Irish Draught with a great stifle gaskin and hock as the modern arabian can be quite straight and high behind…though the white mare is exceptional. We have quite a few stallions with the cute cobby heads as opposed to longer larger heads. Or breed has approved an Irish Draught/Arabian cross as a stallion though I think he was gelded so it was a welcome cross to inspectors. He was by the wonderful stallion Oleary’s Irish Diamond. The mare being the dam in your case would likely result in not a huge gain in size so I wouldn’t worry about it other than to use a stallion who is known to produce smaller foals to suit the mares size. I have had a foal by KEC Double Diamond and have noticed they have quite pretty adolecences and would look good as halter horses before they become riding horses. PatO

Love the Irish Draughts!

I have had the good fortune to have known the owners of Irish Draught Stallion KEC Double Diamond (“Oisin”) for a number of years now and have seen this stallion develop. This stallion is just so nice, he has done the upper level jumpers and is now doing FEI level dressage with his owner Jutta Heinsohn. Oisin is such a sweety, he is an incredibly powerful horse but he is not spooky at all. He has tons of presense so that you don’t have to look between his legs to tell he’s a stallion :slight_smile: But at the same time his manners are impecable. Here are some recent pictures I took of him at a beach in Georgia:
http://www.pbase.com/finnskeeper/beach_dressage
(he is the chestnut) and here is his website
http://www.adsagsona.com/
I have also seen a number of his foals and all had great dispositions. From knowing this horse I am so impressed with the athleticism of the pure draughts. This boy literally has a foot of suspension in some of the pictures I have taken in his trot, yet he also has a lovely piaffe and can jump a five foot fence. All in the same day :slight_smile:

I forgot the best story

I know there is a video on youtube of an Irish Draught stallion, Cradilo, that jumps a upper level course and jumps into the VIP tent…over a picnic table…and then gets pats from the crowd. There is a video of one of the Playland arab crosses on youtube too. PL Irish Kitten and she looks quite nice. PatO

I also have a Macha Breeze baby and would not trade him for another horse in the world… no exaggeration. To me, he is perfect in every way. Good legs, beautiful neck and head, solid feet, sound and sturdy (knock on wood, of course). He is extremely bold, very honest, clever and loves his job. He has a cool way about him, almost as if he thinks nothing is too big of a deal. He handles everything and is always so mature. He has only been in solid work for about a year, as well. Macha (I call my Macha baby Macha, since that is what I knew him as from the previous owner), was given to me. I was good friends with the former owner and he had bought him as a 4 year old as a first horse. The owner no longer had enough time to ride, and hadn’t really ridden him for about a year, when I got him in June-ish this year, he was all business. Before I got him, he only knew the basics of jumping, but no more. He went to his first CT a month after getting him, acted as if he had seen all the activity before, won and was the high score of the weekend. This past October he also did his first recognized event and was a total pro. The main thing about Macha is that he needs a job and routine, which is perfect for me since I am looking for a serious event horse. From what I have gathered about ISHs, they all seem to be that way. He never misbehaves, maybe a little fiesty some days, but he just always wants something to do and gets restless without a task. All he wants to do is be good and is so genuine that all he seems to know is to just give everything a shot.

Judging by my Macha, I am definitely interested in getting another Macha Breeze baby down the road. Totally satisfied!

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=0EBK008Z000008&po=8

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=0EBK008Z000018&po=18

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=0EBK008Z000026&po=26

[QUOTE=columbus;3698063]
The US site is first and we are at this point adding newly approved stallions from this years inspections so there will be more stallions posted. Unfortunately I don’t have the Canadian site in my head but there is a Canadian Society as well and I am sure someone will post that.
www.irishdraught.com
www.irishdraught.ie
www.idhsgb.com[/QUOTE]

the Canadian IDHS is here
http://www.IDHS.ca

Steeped in Luck RID

[QUOTE=sniplover;3697362]
Emy - WOW. I love his foals by the Popeye K mare!! What a stunning RID.[/QUOTE]

We have a VERY gorgeous IDSH youngster by Steeped in Luck - and he is his daddy’s son, huge, sweet-sweet-sweet, WAY too pretty and talented, just a fantastic colt.
http://irishhuntersandjumpers.com/Lucky%20Punch01.html

While this kiddo has all the style and extension he will ever need for a dressage career, he can also jump five feet from a standstill… which is sometimes surprising! he has a really big bounce - or more accurately, a BOIINNNG!

Yes, the mare did have something to do with it, all her kids are large and gorgeous and super - but she really met her match in Eamon!

[QUOTE=columbus;3698105]
My background is Gainey Arabians. <SNIP> PatO[/QUOTE]

Ah, the Wayback Machine kicks in…

If I had a nice pure Polish mare to try it with, I’d really love to see what our RID boy would throw to a nice Polish Arab, one like Harda* or her gorgeous daughter Jano.
oooo, shivers…
:slight_smile:

Cute youngster, Adablurr. I’ll keep an eye out for updated pictures in the spring when the woolies are gone :wink:

BTW, Can you explain to me what you mean by “black liver chestnut” with regard to Dreams Come True? Are you indicating he’s really very sooty (thus appearing black in his pictures) but tests chestnut, or…?

I have consulted my crystal breeding ball and the spirits tell me that Blackberry Ridge’s new stallion Sonrise Genesis is just the ticket. Mostly because I don’t have a mare to breed to him. <grin>

Don’t forget, type to type is your best bet in crossbreeding. And the ID is definitely the way to go because they poop shamrocks and lead you to leprechauns, doncha know, sure and begorrah. <biggergrin>

Pat,
My arabian is by Gai Gallizon (Gai Parada x Jon San Judizon). What a small world. :slight_smile: I’ve lately been wishing he wasnt a gelding, so I could have bred him to Mac for his replacement.

Megan - I’m so pleased to read your stories about Mac. You surely did make a turn around in him. That’s always a good thing!! He really did need and deserve a better situation.
Sakura - we are so very pleased with our Seattle Blues colt…in both his physical and temperament qualities. The fact that his dam, of the Seattle Slew family, was a successful “A” show hunter, shows in his movement and combined with the Touch of the Blues temperament and bone he will hopefully develop into the ISH stallion that we were seeking to cross on our TB mares and other ISH mares. This year we have an ISH mare by The Irish Rover in foal to our painted TB stallion, Jagged Illusion. If belly size is an indication THAT foal will be 20 hands!! These Irish are just such nice horses…and I’ve been a devout TB person for half a century!!