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There is a legal remedy for wages unpaid - the wages and hours board. It is free for her to make a complaint in this way. Instead, she chose to have her boyfriend make phone calls and tried to threaten… something? to get her money.
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Extortion doesn’t mean your claim is wrong - just that is in fact extortion to obtain something, especially money, by threatening to do something or say something. It doesn’t matter if what you are saying is true. If you say “if you don’t give me my money I will tell everyone x slept with your wife” that’s still extortion even if x really slept with his wife and the person actually owes you money. The threat is the act of extortion, not the fact.
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There are more appropriate venues than social media.
By all means, speak up. Please speak up! But speak up in a way that is going to yield real results and foster change in the community. Be dignified. Don’t use social media as a weapon to personally attack someone and their business that they’ve created.
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Yeah and it started with the OP when they posted
“Aapparently some victim of domestic violence is as important as this payroll disbute in his logic.”
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So threatening someone publicly that you will take them to court is illegal as extortion; using an agent to contact someone who threatens to take them to court is illegal as extortion? True statements on public media are extortion?
I may be wrong, but if that is how extortion statutes are read, they violate the First Amendment because the government is attempting to criminalize protected speech.
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Gottagrey quoted on page one where she threatened to blast it all over social media. No one said the threat of small claims is extortion. Where things went south was when she posted publicly on the sponsors page and repeated a conversation on here that she admitted she should not have been privy to. The Mods edited that one and a lot of her ranting posts are gone.
Now with regards to the sponsor issue in the EDH thread, I believe people contacted the sponsor in a private manner. I don’t believe anyone went to the FB and let lose a rant that included no paragraphs and text speech.
Also, Stormy laid out her facts in a clear concise manner and never attacked posters for questions or as mmeqcenter did, say posting on the sponsors FB page is unprofessional. Obviously, people here heard from others that the OP’s situation wasn’t a one off. Also, after getting the matter resolved, she posted she was getting paid, she continued her online crusade causing a long time poster here some drama.
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“Speak up, but only in the way I want you to with what I think it’s appropriate for you to say”
I agree with some that this has gotten murky, but I support her right to speak. I would also support Matt Flynn if he released a statement.
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That’s a bit of a stretch. You’ve missed my point.
There’s no tact involved here, so she’s lost whatever credibility she had (IMO). If there is actually an issue, it’s not going to be resolved through the forums.
If you want to be taken seriously, dress the part.
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I don’t think I did…
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No, threatening someone PRIVATELY that you will blast their reputation unless they pay up is an act of extortion. Extortion is a second degree felony in the state of Florida. Reporting a crime is not the issue. Saying you will “let the whole eventing community know” is the issue.
Threats; extortion.—Whoever, either verbally or by a written or printed communication, maliciously threatens to accuse another of any crime or offense, or by such communication maliciously threatens an injury to the person, property or reputation of another, or maliciously threatens to expose another to disgrace, or to expose any secret affecting another, or to impute any deformity or lack of chastity to another, with intent thereby to extort money or any pecuniary advantage whatsoever, or with intent to compel the person so threatened, or any other person, to do any act or refrain from doing any act against his or her will, shall be guilty of a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
actually doing it offers the wronged party civil remedies such as suing for defamation. They are two different categories of offense.
I am not a lawyer admitted in Florida.
She had a verifiable legal remedy and frankly it was foolish not to use it because in Florida, a wages claim is entitled to double damages plus attorney’s fees. However, his offer to pay has now voided that option as she cannot refuse it and then try to seek double damages.
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Just because someone says something happened the way it did- does not mean it did- I think people are forgetting that- this may very well all be true- but also just because “people” chime in and say yes that person is a bad person doesn’t mean it is true either. Sadly I’ve have seen lies masquerade as truths about people and there seem to be so many people who say they oh yes that person is like that — and it was nothing but lies.
All people were saying is that this thread into a witch hunt - deserving or not- and that really is not cool.
I remember several threads here where the op turned out to be a liar- remember Chanter ( Thanks Denali!!) Who supposedly had disabilities and was being mistreated by her barn manager/landlord- one Canadian Cother even was going to have her friend go over and beat the man up. Everyone - myself included who questioned any of the bizarre and nonsensical postings was blasted! In the end she went to another Cother’s farm in Texas I believe - where she not only acted insane- but called the animal control on the good samaritan and caused her a lot of trouble.
I’m just saying the poster could have made her point without the drama and over the top character assassination.
Not that she should not post her experience-
It seems lawyers are handling this now anyway.
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Oh god Chanter!!! Wowza! That one…
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It’s all going depend on the Florida legal definition of “malice” and “malicious intent”, isn’t it?
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Sure. But I think you’d be hard pressed to argue you didn’t intend harm to reputation when you post on the internet
I did make him aware via text that I would in no way tolerate such behaviour and would make the industry as a whole aware of his unwillingness to pay me and his reason why
Extortion laws exist solely to prevent people from avoiding legal avenues to remedy damages. She had a legal avenue and instead decided that this was the better way. I’m merely pointing out that threatening people to get them to do what you want is not necessarily an avenue you want to pursue especially when you put all the details about what you did online for anyone’s perusal.
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Just for the record and for the poster who stated that I have been paid and continued on bashing Mr. Flynn, I have NOT been paid. Mr. Flynn agreed to pay me, I have texts to my boyfriend on Tuesdayfrom him wanting to meet to give a check I told him we could connect on Wednesday to do so and now he cannot be reached. He also called me twice on Tuesday stating the same . So no this matter has NOT be resolved as I am the first person to wish it would be. Additionally to the posters who think my boyfriend called and threatened Mr. Flynn in some way again completely false. My BF made the initial contact he and Mr. Flynn spoke at length it was a very civil conversation which ended with Mr. Flynn telling my BF he would contact my BF with a couple days. Every text and every phone call thereafter was Mr. Flynn reaching out to my BF. So again people are assuming something happened in this situation that’s has not.
No one said you were getting paid to bash him we said he was paying you what he owed you and you continued your unprofessional tired. Sheesh!
Let me also state that there was a legally binding agreement (terms of which will not be disclosed) hat I signed that was emailed to Mr. Flynn for his signature and once both signatures where in place what was owed to me would be paid. It was emailed to Mr. Flynn very early yeaterday morning. Mr. Flynn has not neither signed and emailed me a copy of and now cannot reached. So as I said in my last post nobody wants this awful experience with Mr. Flynn to be in the rearview more than I. At this point it doesn’t seem as Mr. Flynn wants the same. I worked didn’t get paid and none of this needed to be going on for the last month if Mr. Flynn had done the right thing from the beginning. I’m not entirely sure why some posters choose to take the position I have done something wrong in wanting to be paid for work I performed. I will guarantee 90% of the people who want to stand on moral high ground would of done this very same thing if not something very similar in making this public. If they choose to deny they would of taken the steps I did they are being untruthful. If going public with my experience brought out other people Mr. Flynn has wronged that isn’t a bad thing and I in no way feel badly about that. Mr. Flynn was arrogant enough to think that doing what he had done to myself and others wouldn’t see the light of day. Clearly every bad deed catches up with us all at some point down the road in life. This was the time and place it caught up with Mr. Flynn. Perhaps he won’t do it again perhaps he will I can’t predict that but if I stopped him from doing it again it was worth it to me.
File a wages and hours claim like a responsible person. I can’t read that text wall to even understand what you’re on about. Refusing to take a legal avenue when you could just blast someone online makes you seem like a drama queen. Quietly file a wages claim and let them go nuclear.
I fully believe that there are crap employers in the horse world. The wages and hours board takes unpaid wages very seriously.
tell me, did this “legally binding agreement” also cover walking off the job with no notice? I’m not saying he doesn’t have to pay you. I’m saying contract provisions don’t just apply when they’re to your benefit.
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Right and who originated this “legally binding agreement”, is this something that the OP whipped up or was it something Flynn asked her to sign upon employment. In either case, with what has transpired over social media, if I were her ex-employer, I might want legal counsel before counter-signing, and I also might want to include a cease & desist notice in the “legally binding agreement”. Hopefully there will be a satisfactory resolution for all the parties soon.
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I THINK her text wall states this was sent yesterday (Wednesday) morning, so it appears to something she whipped up to try to bind him legally to paying her. I do not believe it was an employment contract before she started.
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Why did your BF contact Flynn? That makes no sense. Why didn’t you contact him? I don’t understand why you keep talking about domestic violence and restraining orders when you never said he touched you or threatened you. What facts are missing? I find the story very confusing.
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