For all the coat color geeks out there - palomino x grey

Sire Palomino (palomino x chestnut)
Dam Grey {Bay father, grey mother (mother is heterozygous grey)}

Colt is born pink. Looks palomino now. No “goggles” around the eyes. Colt now 4 months old.

What is the base color of the dam and grand dam (that is also grey)?

If he looks pali, he likely is. Goggles are about useless on palis as it’s too hard to see. What matters more is the tone of the pali. Picture, of course :slight_smile:

Dam - has a bay sire. Mother of the dam is grey. Mother of the dam comes from a Bay sire and a grey mother

Foal has looked pali pretty strongly. Born the pink color pali’s are born

Pink

I would guess…can only guess…that pink skin says not greying but I am watching a group of foals now by a heterzygous grey stallion Beeston Laird and I KNOW I did not get ALL colored foals even though they seem to not have goggles. I will have to wait and see what shows up at coat change. https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/118768168164546/ I just posted them all here and you can see them if you join the group I think. My colt is chestnut with pink skin but there are others that seem too chestnut or too bay as opposed to baby chestnut and baby bay so I believe some are going to be greys but I will watch as see. We had a filly who is now 2 who is greying very differently than others I have known(by a different stallion than Laird) in that she does not have goggles but is greying gradually throughout her coat and I have vacilated as to her being a rabicano…her sire was a rabicano. This filly has no white markings so it looks like a roan…that is possible with a rabicano but I think the number of white hairs is increasing slowly…and mom IS a fleabitten grey. We have had light colored duns in Irish Draughts who also had the greying gene and they caused a lot of argument as they stayed whatever color they were for a long time but for me the white in their tails was the tell tail…not rabicano white but greying white to me…in the end they were obviously grey. PatO

Its really hard to tell if the single dilutes are going to go grey-they often have a mixture of hairs to begin with.

I would recommend color testing. You have a 50/50 chance of grey and it may be years before you can tell by looking.

there are lots of greys that are born with no googles… and sometimes the grey doesn’t show up for years… i know of one stallion (two actually!) that were thought to be hard colors - until they started to grey out later in life - like 10 +!

so the only way to know for sure is to test :slight_smile:

no chance to color test. Foal is in germany and is for sale. Just one I was idly looking at.

It’s not difficult to tell if a pali is going to be gray as a foal. The whole “born with adult color tone” still applies to them :slight_smile:

This is a very young pali foal who will be gray. You can see the darker legs and the whole gray undertone to the body color. But mostly it’s the legs (if you couldn’t already see the shedded muzzle and start of eyes coming in with a lot of gray)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Palomino_Foal_turning_Grey.jpg/605px-Palomino_Foal_turning_Grey.jpg

now those legs are dark. Most pali foals I see are born an adultish color though.

This is MUCH more typical of pali foals - note the huge difference in leg color/tone
http://www.horseclicks.com/img/adphotos/529/278529_gorgeous_twh_palomino_foal_photo_5_img.jpg

Red-based foals are born looking pretty adult-like in their body color - this includes chestnuts and palominos. Whether or not it’s the shade they will have as an adult is a different story.

But the legs are different. The reason pali foal legs look more like adult pali legs is because red-based colors tend to have lighter hair on the lower legs to begin with, and once you dilute the hairs right off the bat, the difference between paler foal legs and paler adult legs, on palis especially, can be very minimal.

This palomino ended up greying out:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=374487982589299&set=a.374487169256047.88113.161891333848966&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=435627749808655&set=pb.161891333848966.-2207520000.1376680111.&type=3&theater

And it’s very clear in the foal coat she’ll be gray :slight_smile:

i agree in the left hind and both front knees you can see the dark color that JB is talking about!

My single dilute Buckskin filly showed no signs of greying for almost four years. Ive also had a black filly who was dark from head to toe sired by my heterozygous grey stallion-not grey—turned blue black.

What does a adult palomino x grey look like? Does anyone have a picture?

As to this one, can you ask the owner for a color test? Or to send you a few hairs and you’ll pay the fee?

Some of these answers are partly true. The most definitive way to tell is whether the skin around the eyes (the slight hairless part of the eyelid) is blackish or whether it is a reddish color. The ones with black will turn grey. The reddish ones will not turn grey. It can be very hard otherwise to tell. Palominos can be so many shades of red/gold/copper that the hue of the coat may not tell the whole answer.

Adult greyed out palomino looks like any other grey

Just like any other normal color - gray. Anything with dark skin, going gray, will look the same once done. It’s the light skinned ones who can be very tricky

This one isn’t fully grown or gray, but you can see she looks pretty normal gray
http://www.tidecreek.com/Buttercup062408%20002.jpg