Foundation Appaloosas?

I’m probably going to hate myself for this. however…

I’ve looked on the Foundation Appaloosa website, but I must be blind, as I can’t see any PNW links/people to go lookup in my semi still lazy hunt --long term plan to find a nice solid foundation broodmare.

Anyone can point me in a better direction for where to souse out some farms that are closer to my area? Needs to be foundation stock I’m pretty definite on what I’m looking for:)

I don’t have a link, but the Nez Perce were very active in restoring the breed and working with only foundation stock.

Not easy to find still, but we have a growing population of Colonial Spanish LP horses. Most likely, the Nez Perce’s horses were the same horses as ours…only LP traited and selectively bred. Seems unlikely much else was in them but Spanish blood but I heard some story that they are using Russian horses to somehow recreate them? Dunno…but we have a group of breeders now, of which I am one, trying to bring back the large blankets and leopard patterns in our Spanish Barbs. Unfortunately, we had so few bloodlines to work with originally as they did a really good job of exterminating and dispersing the Nez Perce’s horses and a good number of our early stock were Choctaw horses obtained from the Choctaw tribe. Early Col.Spanish breeders did not understand the value of a few spot horse and many were lost to us due to poor husbandry decisions.

I had an LP traited snowflake foal born a week or so ago. He’s on the COTH 2008 foals page under the stallion Your Choctaw and out of Savannah Mist.

I’d have no idea if they’d be registrable in any Foundation Appy registry but the breed is a pure Spanish horse with LP traits as can be found in the America’s.

Here is a link to one of our breeders who is most active in the Spanish LP project.

http://www.arrowrockspanishmustangs.com/APPY.html

I might be able to point you in the right direction. What exactly are you looking for when you say Foundation Appaloosa? Such as, are you wanting one that has F-3 status or some such thing? Or perhaps you just mean one without QH close up in the pedigree. Are you wanting the type that do the Indian Shuffle? Or are you looking for the sport horse type that tend to be taller with more bone? You say you are looking for a mare, are you wanting to breed the mare and what do you want to breed for?

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I might be able to point you in the right direction. What exactly are you looking for when you say Foundation Appaloosa? Such as, are you wanting one that has F-3 status or some such thing? Or perhaps you just mean one without QH close up in the pedigree. Are you wanting the type that do the Indian Shuffle? Or are you looking for the sport horse type that tend to be taller with more bone? You say you are looking for a mare, are you wanting to breed the mare and what do you want to breed for?[/QUOTE]

I’m looking to avoid well I’ll be honest, as much of the QH bloodlines and ‘look’ as possible, mostly, that is what sent looking more into the foundation type. the heavier bone, and smaller size isn’t an issue for me, as the mare will be outcrossed to mainly Arabian blood. with most likely only one/two foals (knock on wood) from a FAHR sire for long term breeding, depending of course on their actual ‘good enough to breed’ component. I’m fussy about conformation as a rule, considering my horses need to be able to stand up to high amounts of wear and tear.

The basis of this whole spurt will be for breeding endurance horses. I’ve competed in the sport for years, generally always arab crosses, but I also have 2 appaloosas who are showing a nice solid potential ,however I gelded one, and my mare I don’t consider her breeding material:/ , and I’ve started pondering expanding my breeding a tad to incorporate the appaloosa, which brings me round to finding a suitable mare for the venture.

The shuffle I don’t care over, if the mare has that’s fine, but it’s not a make or break

If you are interested in endurance, you really should look at the registered Spanish Mustangs. They can be very competitive in Endurance being very heavy in the Barb blood and they don’t have a drop of QH in them. QH’s descend from these bloodlines…not the other way around. God knows our breed needs more good quality breeders.

www.spanishmustang.org
www.horseoftheamericas.com

Best of luck!

I’ll also admit, I can rattle off Arab bloodlines left and right, however the Appaloosa I’m shaky on, I’m in the learning curve bigtime, hence why I’m hoping to find some more local region wise breeders/people that I can approach and speak with, A/ to make sure I’m actually going the right way that I want to go with my breeding program and B/ that I can learn more about which bloodlines I should be looking more closely into, considering what I’m aiming for.

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If you are interested in endurance, you really should look at the registered Spanish Mustangs. They can be very competitive in Endurance being very heavy in the Barb blood and they don’t have a drop of QH in them. QH’s descend from these bloodlines…not the other way around. God knows our breed needs more good quality breeders.

www.spanishmustang.org
www.horseoftheamericas.com

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I’ve looked a bit into them not a lot so far, I confess. Perhaps I’ll take a closer boo.

I was tickled pink to get an LP traited foal on my Spanish Mustang snowflake mare. He’s on the COTH 2008 under Your Choctaw as a stallion. It was my first spotted baby! it’s addicting breeding for spots! Did you check out that earlier website I linked? That person is a wealth of knowledge about the bloodlines and history of our horses and I’ll be glad to introduce you if you’d like. :slight_smile:

Have you been to the Foundation Appaloosa Horse Registry web site? I believe it is

http://www.foundationapp.org

Deckers Red Eagle Appaloosas is in OR. http://www.d-rea.com/

Hurricaneranch does endurance, but they are in OK http://www.hurricaneranch.net

I love the foundation apps, but most breeders dont seem to have web sites. The FAHR site will lead you to the ones that do.

You might try emailing Julie Kreider at Sawyer Creek Appaloosas. She has some really good contacts in the appaloosa world, and is quite erudite as well regarding breeding.

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You might try emailing Julie Kreider at Sawyer Creek Appaloosas. She has some really good contacts in the appaloosa world, and is quite erudite as well regarding breeding.[/QUOTE]

Awesome. thank you!:slight_smile:

Here is DDBs cutie
http://cothfoals2008.home.comcast.net/~cothfoals2008/images/yourchoctawSavannahcolt.jpg

Thanks Jullie. He’d DOES have some snowflakes on his butt and we’re hoping for more color as he sheds out…but he is a cute little guy!

I stand an appaloosa colored foundation bred Spanish Mustang and am also working on preserving the LP pattern in our breed.

If you are looking for a mare to cross with Arabs though, I would look to the foundation Appaloosa horses (capital “A” for the Appaloosa breed, rather than small “a” for the appaloosa color. ;)) Any LP Spanish Mustang mare, I would hope will stay in our registries, as far as breeding goes. They are too rare, at this point, to be used for cross breeding.

I will second Decker’s. They are local to me and have nice horses!

For the purpose of endurance might not want to rule out the ones with TB in them either. We have Appys for polo. We have one retired one that is half TB, one that is TB/QH/Appy cross (looks like a spotted QH and runs like a TB…and all day long!), another high % TB Appy and one foundation Appy.

Simrat’s stallion is on my short list as sires to cross to also. He is lovely and I’ve seen him in person last summer.

Check out Sunset Stock Horses. They have a nice mix of foundation and half Arabian horses, and the breeder is extremely nice. My gelding is from there.

Thanks, DDB. He has matured so much since then too. My BO commented that last year he was “cute” but this year he is “handsome.” :wink: He’s really grown into himself as a 5 year old… and I am sure that he has more maturing to do.

This stud is managed for breeding by our repro vet - and I can say he’s the real deal, having been next to him.
Storm Cloud’s Patchy

http://www.renaissanceappaloosa.com/

Used to ride some good foundation appys in my youth - they are truly a whole different horse than the “modern” types.

Kate